The Alabama Department of Public Health has confirmed that an outbreak of pertussis – also known as whooping cough – in the state was caused by children recently vaccinated against the contagious illness.
The number of people with confirmed whooping cough has risen to 19 in an outbreak linked to local schools in Chambers County, where it spread from recently vaccinated to children to adults.
The Alabama Department of Public Health began investigating the outbreak earlier this month after 6 students came down with the highly-contagious illness. All 19 of the infected adults and children in Chambers County with whooping cough received the pertussis vaccination.
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AL.com reports: Dr. Karen Landers, assistant state health officer, said the pertussis vaccine is not 100 percent effective. Infants receive several doses during their first year of life, and boosters in early and late childhood. Doctors also recommend pertussis vaccines to pregnant women and unvaccinated adults.
The illness is particularly dangerous for babies younger than 12 months old who have not received the full course of vaccinations. Complications can lead to hospitalization and even death.
However despite the recent outbreak of potentially deadly pertussis caused by the pertussis vaccine, Landers said the best way to protect babies is still to vaccinate them and ensure all adult caretakers have also received vaccinations.
“I would advise any parent – first of all, you want to make sure your child is up-to-date on her vaccines,” Landers said. “We want mothers to be vaccinated during pregnancy. We want children to receive the vaccine on time. Adults that are going to be around infants should make sure they are up to date on their vaccines too.”
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Vaccinated patients who become infected with pertussis have less severe illness than those who have not received the shots, Landers said. All the patients identified in the Chambers County outbreak have received treatment from local physicians and are recovering, she said.
Symptoms of pertussis include runny nose, fever and cough. The nickname whooping cough comes from the whooping sound patients make as they try to inhale between violent coughing fits.
Parents who believe their child might be infected with pertussis should contact the child’s doctor about testing.
Baxter Dmitry
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Vaccinated children should not be allowed to endanger the heath of other children and adults. Vaccinated children should not be allowed to attend schools so as to spread the diseases they get from vaccinations.
Seriously. None of these diseases existed even just a decade ago. They were long gone, until they decided to start doubling up vaccines and poisoning children with them. Now they’ve brought these nasty diseases back. People should ask their parents and grandparents what whooping cough was like. NOT fun.
Only a mentally ill parent would allow their child to take such a vaccine. I’ve seen even wealthy white people use the gene excuse to opt out. Only dumb, working and lower class people do this to their kids and selves.
They also “vaccinate” against diseases children NEED to get once in order to build their immune system, such as chickenpox and measles. All nonsense. And they vaccinate against diseases impossible to truly even vaccinate against such as the flu, no different in nature than the common cold in terms of number of strains.
I’m waiting for the super smart vaccines and the antipsychotic vaccines that turn everyone into a brain-dead liberal or conservative. They’ll come. If flu vaccines are taken seriously, people will take anything for any reason.
The flu and cold vaccine, the next breakthrough I’d bet. Then we’ll have super strains of the cold and flu that even super healthy people can’t fight off for a week.
What?? What diseases didn’t exist a decade ago?
Don’t play stupid. No one was getting whooping cough a decade ago. No one was getting swine flu.
Fingal babbled, “No one was getting whooping cough a decade ago.”
You don’t say?
Then this must be all part of the global vaccine konspiracee involving every scientist, doctor, researcher, hospital, health agency, insurance company, etc. on earth:
pdf document: cdc(dot)gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/e/reported-cases.pdf
“Reported Cases and Deaths from Vaccine Preventable Diseases, United States, 1950-2013
Year Pertussis Cases
2005 – 25,616
2006 – 15,632
2007 – 10,454
2008 – 13,278
2009 – 16,858
2010 – 27,550”
Gee, it looks like the USA was experiencing 10,000 – 20,000 pertussis cases per year “a decade ago.”
You were saying?
Do you take vaccines? Who is the idiot.
Nice changing the subject, Fingal.
Is admitting you were wrong that painful to you that you won’t admit you presented non-factual information?
BTW – The factual information was very easy to find on the internet and only took a few seconds to locate.
You won’t find it at Alex Jones’ Kabuki Konspiracee Theater called InfoWarts.
So now – Who is the idiot, Mr. “no pertussis a dacade ago”?
Take your meds, whacko. The only person changing the subject to try and insult me is YOU. LOL!
You said these diseases didn’t exist a decade ago.
You were proven wrong.
Now you’re having an internet tantrum.
You are autistic. I said that meaning ~90%. You do not comprehend English or figurative speech. When someone says “everything” or “nothing” in a general sense, it means the vast majority, or virtually. You and your troll accounts embarrassed yourself. You proved nothing. My point stands 100%. Get a life and go take your meds while they still work.
Lol.
Projection much?
Well, gee, Fingal. Not many people were refusing whooping cough vaccination for their kids a decade ago. At that time, we had a high vaccination rate and low infection rate. Now the vaccination rate is lower and the infection rate is higher. Interesting correlation, don’t you think?
As for swine flu, that only spread for one season, like many flu strains. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make by bringing it up.
“When someone says “everything” or “nothing” in a general sense, it means the vast majority, or virtually. …My point stands 100%.”
So, your point stands 90%, or maybe only 75%?
Why do you need a specific percentage? Do you suffer from OCD? Are you that incapable of understanding points that you have to play this stupid liberal game of dumb? Pathetic.
Fingal babbled, “My point stands 100%.”
When you say “100%” does that mean “~90%” as you’ve just explained that your meaning for “everything” and “nothing” doesn’t mean 100% or 0% that the rest of the English speaking world uses.
Does your “100%” mean “the vast majority, or virtually” as you state above? If that is the case, what does “the vast majority” actually mean in terms of magnitude? 55%? 60%? 75%? 80%?
What does “virtually” mean in your universe, Fingal?
What word do you use to denote absolutely, positively, 100%, all, everthing, nothing left behind, the entirety, etc.?
Enquiring minds want to know everything about it… and by that I mean we want to know about 55% of it.
…says the schizophrenic old limey who forgot to take his meds.
And that is the best you can do Rene?
I’m no good at old-people insults. Do you know of any good ones?
Something about Depends™? Or Ensure™?
What’s it like to be unmarried, unemployed and still living with daddy?
Do you believe everything you hear about antivaccine activists?
And how’s it like having ED?
ED?
Reality022, never ever ever ever ever ask how irrational an anti-vaxxer can be. Far too many of them take it as a challenge.
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Whooping cough definitely existed a decade ago, but fewer children caught it because the pro-disease movement hadn’t built up momentum to prevent vaccination.
Swine flu only jumped to humans in 2008 and only circulated for about two years before eradication. Nobody is catching or being vaccinated for it today.
Actually, the H1N1 swine flu strain had persisted in low circulation for quite a few years. It comprised 2% of the flu A variants this last season. 98% were H3N2.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6606a3.htm?s_cid=mm6606a3_w
It still is in the multivalent vaccine.
http://www.who.int/influenza/vaccines/virus/recommendations/2017_18_north/en/
Thanks for the correction!
Um,, Yes they were. They go around all the time. My dad was vaxxed for the swine flu in the 70’s
A long, sordid history of shooting up heavy metals in your family. Nothing to be proud of.
Meanwhile, to this day, there’s still a class of triple-digit IQ wealthy whites, jews and others that don’t touch vaccines or non-organic meats, vegetables and grains, and produce and raise children in these weird times more intelligent and capable than anything seen in the past 50-70 years.
I always choose winners to observe, model, and replicate. Only morons and losers choose losers.
Isn’t it amazing how the social programming works so well?
Are you a misanthrope or just a moron? 100 million people died from the Spanish flu. Guess how many people died from the common cold in 1918.
I guess you think Jenny McCarthy is a genius. She’s willing to stuff life-threatening bags of goo into her boobs but she is against parents protecting their kids from death or brain damage.
Go take your medication and shoot up your vaccine and or heroin. It will all be alright. Maybe a joint, too? We’ll all solve the world’s problems with man-made drugs, illicit drugs, and vaccinations. Idiot.
Let me know the next time you step on a nail and get tetanus. Or when someone coughs in your face and you get pneumococcal pneumonia. Maybe I’ll come to your funeral.
Hey genius – don’t you think that smallpox was around for thousands of years before we started vaccinating? Typhus, cholera – how about those bad boys?
You have no concept nor any knowledge of history. You must spend your time looking a pictures of Jenny McCarthy and reading her loony opinions.
Only retards take vaccines. None of those things ever happen to a healthy person. I don’t even know where to find tetanus bacteria, but I shouldn’t even have my feet, or jaw by now if that one is true.
Probably like seasonal allergies. Seasonal allergies are actually an extension of food allergies. When I stopped eating grass (wheat, gluten) years ago, my seasonal allergies disappeared entirely. I’m betting these bacterial diseases have to do with poor gut health, you so catch everything in the environment because your gut is useless due mainly to sugar and grass.
And only sick people who eat grass (gluten) and sugar all day, and take man-made drugs for simple mineral deficiencies, get nasty diseases like pneumonia. All vaccinated diseases are easily survivable by healthy people, if you’re ever even been exposed to half of them. Funny how I never get any of them. The flu vaccine makes zero sense. The flu is no different than the common cold, too many strains to possibly vaccinate. How do you take it seriously?
But you, in your autistic libtard stupor, have the utmost confidence that it is somehow normal to shoot up heavy metals, unknown toxins, and allegedly dead viruses into your VEINS for some magical shield from disease. You’re the same kind of reductionist idiot who believes we will “alter genes” one day with man-made drugs to solve all issues our somehow messed up “genes” cause. The eugenics theory has been disproven and debunked. So who’s the stoneager but you? Genes have to do with physical, unchanged traits. Everything else is epigenetic and RNA, NOT DNA.
And don’t talk about history. YOUR political viewpoint is a few hundred years old. You infants know nothing about history. You literally alter it to fit your christianity-based religion.
Worst I ever get are colds every few years. About one day of blah and a couple days of blowing my nose. There would be no colds if people didn’t eat grass and sugar and weaken their immune system (I wonder if you’ve gotten the point by now, autistic people often need repetition).
Viruses and bacterial ilk come and go, but only sick people keep them alive and spread them like mad.
“All vaccinated diseases are easily survivable by healthy people…” Nice statement, except that it’s false. Babies and small children don’t have a fully developed immune system. Every year a million (unvaccinated) babies and small children die from measles. And what do you think happens to ALL people as they age? Does ANY 90 year old fight off pneumonia as well as a normal 25 year old? If you think they do then you must think humans can be immortal.
If you believed in history you would know that childhood mortality was through the roof back in the day. Kids getting sick and dying was quite common.
You still get colds? I haven’t had a cold in 35 years – my way works better than yours.
Is it possible for you to even pretend that you are a civil human being? Making fun of kids with developmental problems (retards) and making fun of autistic kids is pretty low…even for you.
Impossible. If you don’t, you literally don’t go anywhere or do anything which makes sense being you are a paid troll in a cubicle. Anyone on disqus who can’t maintain a somewhere close to 1:1 post to upvote ratio is completely worthless. Yours is horrifically bad. Paid shill. One name, randomly generated.
Everyone gets sick every couple to few years, no matter how short lived or limited the symptoms. You’re probably the kind of idiot who claims it’s your “allergies”. Everyone I’ve ever met who claims they don’t get sick denys when they are blatantly ill. It can literally be a 100 fever for 3 hours on one day and nothing else. Sick is sick, period.
Vaccines are nothing but poison and no one needs them. Did you know wealthy and well-off people routinely deny all if not most of them for themselves and their kids, often using “genetics” as an excuse?
People you see day to day in affluent areas, most unvaccinated, none getting sick and dying of all these scary diseases. But most, thanks to organic foods, supplementation, and no chemical warfare with their bodies like vaccines or antibiotics unless 100% necessary, have way higher IQ, way less depressed, much happier, far better quality of life.
Autism is caused by the mother lacking nutrients. It is not genetic and is fully preventable. Milder forms are often reversible. I have every right to mock it when it is full preventable and documented how. ADHD, Down’s syndrome, Alzheimer’s, Tourette’s, are all no different, so cut the crap. The rate of autism in certain areas up until recently was almost non-existent. Yet autism existed decades ago in the inner city. Figure it out without your eugenics racism, genius.
You are a paid shill. You will be dead of cancer or another genetic disease in decades if not shorter, and if you survive cancer, you will be gone due to Alzheimer’s. You, like the rest of the sheeple, do it to yourselves due to your refusal to eat healthy, supplement, and your need to swallow man-made chemicals due to your weird reductionistic religion. Your beliefs and choices, not mine.
Christ, you and Ben go back and forth upvoting everything either one of you posts. Give me a break.
Not one cold (and no allergies either) for 35 years as I have built up an immunity to all strains of rhinovirus, much like a measles vaccine builds up immunity in a child. Can you guess what the one million kids who die of measles each year have in common? And I’ve been around lot’s of people my whole life as I used to own a medical supply company.
And then, holding true to your status as resident idiot, you have to resort to what all idiots do when confronted with a superior intellect – accuse the person of being a paid troll. Who would want to troll a flat Earth idiot like you? You think way too much of yourself.
Thanks for telling me I won’t die for decades. I’m 87 and my wife is 84 and we are in excellent health – perhaps from eating Ben’s embryo burgers. Too funny.
“Anyone on disqus who can’t maintain a somewhere close to 1:1 post to upvote ratio is completely worthless.”
What an asinine comment. You and Purple Crab along with the wolfman upvote each other on every single post. You could say it’s 10 PM and you’d get those two to upvote. It’s for certain all three of you are paid trolls. Or maybe you are a sock puppet.
Since it’s for certain, you should be able to provide hard evidence….right?
I already did.
Then you should have no problem linking to where you provided hard evidence…right?
No I wouldn’t…if I felt like it…which I don’t. If you are so interested then do the research yourself.
Your claim, your burden of proof.
No, no, no – I made a statement of fact. It is you who is making a claim that I am wrong. The burden now falls to you to prove that I am wrong.
Since it’s a statement of fact, you should have no trouble providing evidence. And no, I asked you what your evidence was – that is not saying that you are wrong.
You , of course, realise that it would fall under the principle of dismissing claims with the same amount of evidence had I done so though, right?
Hey Derp, sales are down. Merck wanks you to plug RotaTeq® now. Can you come-up with some scare material about rotavirus?
Who mentioned a particular brand first?
Hmm…well if you agreed with the veracity of my true statement then you wouldn’t have bothered to ask for evidence. Those who believe my true statement to be counterfactual must then bear the responsibility of proving as much – if they can bear to bare their thought processes to the same level of scrutiny one would give to a bear defecating in the forest.
From where in the UK do you originally hail?
“Hmm…well if you agreed with the veracity of my true statement then you wouldn’t have bothered to ask for evidence. ”
You’re still trying to weasel your way out of your responsibility to support your claim. I might have asked for evidence if I agreed with you in an effort to help you show that you were right to lurkers, for eample.
“Those who believe my true statement to be counterfactual must then bear the responsibility of proving as much ”
Once you have proved it true, yes. You’re trying to skip a step.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
“- if they can bear to bare their thought processes to the same level of scrutiny one would give to a bear defecating in the forest.”
Hmm…nope, we already know bears exist. And the phrase is defecating in the woods.
“From where in the UK do you originally hail?”
Can you explain what this has to do with the truth or falsity of claims?
Ha! You fell into my trap…a bear trap if you will. I wasn’t asking a rhetorical question about “a bear.” Had I done that you would be wrong again – the correct phrase is “does a bear SH*T in the woods,” not defecate. Now were I to ask, “Does a frog have a watertight azz,” then…
Once again you are getting circular on me. I need not prove a true statement to be true – that is merely a fanciful construct of your mind.
From where in the UK you hail is obviously a secondary aspect of our tête-à-tête. However, if you are a Brit then it would have some bearing.
”
Ha! You fell into my trap…a bear trap if you will. I wasn’t asking a rhetorical question about “a bear.” Had I done that you would be wrong again – the correct phrase is “does a bear SH*T in the woods,” not defecate”
Sigh. That’s for the filter. I assumed someone who was so much smarter than global scientific and medical consensus could work that out.
.”Now were I to ask, “Does a frog have a watertight azz,” then…”
Then what?
“Once again you are getting circular on me. I need not prove a true statement to be true – that is merely a fanciful construct of your mind.”
How can we tell whether the true statement is in fact true or whether it is a statement you are asserting is true?
“From where in the UK you hail is obviously a secondary aspect of our tête-à-tête. However, if you are a Brit then it would have some bearing.”
Explain what bearing it has on the truth or falsity of claims. If the answer is “none” then it’s irrelevant.
Sorry, I didn’t realize you are one of those anti-vaccination goofs. If you weren’t such an idiot I’d take the time to edify you about the efficacy of vaccinations but there is no getting through to you morons. You must be from the UK.
Um, D’Andre? I recommend reading my public profile.
Uh, then where would you get the idea that a physician is anti-vaccine? Quite the insulting comment I might add.
Claims stand or fall on their own merit and not as a function of who is advancing them.
It would seem you have me confused with Fingal or someone else. Why are you objecting to me calling, in essence, Fingal a goof?
Please quote-and-link to where I did this. Hint: Asking you for evidence =/= objection.
Let’s try this – exactly what statement of mine are you objecting to? I think you are confused
Gladly.
“. It’s for certain all three of you are paid trolls. Or maybe you are a sock puppet.” https://disqus.com/home/discussion/yournewswire/whooping_cough_outbreak_in_alabama_spread_by_vaccinated_children/#comment-3329066660
First off, this is a contradiction in terms. BUt it’s really the ‘certain all three of you are paid trolls’ that I object to and I find it very interesting that you can’t provide hard evidence of this or a link to said hard evidence.
Jesus little man, take a breath. I just can’t believe that you and Gold are so upset because I’m “bearing” down on you with a little subtle humor – perhaps you find me “overbearing.”
Who the phuyck cares? I thought, at first, that you were just goofing around, but now it’s clear that you both have a collective hair up you azzez over something totally meaningless.
You really need to get a life. Bye.
“Jesus little man, take a breath. I just can’t believe that you and Gold are so upset because I’m “bearing” down on you with a little subtle humor – perhaps you find me “overbearing.”
This isn’t me being upset. This is me being persistent.
“Who the phuyck cares? I thought, at first, that you were just goofing around, but now it’s clear that you both have a collective hair up you azzez over something totally meaningless.”
*SIgh* I was genuinely interested in evidence for the claim.
“You really need to get a life. Bye.”
I find it interesting that you have to resort to stupid ad hominems despite making a factual statement that should be easily proven to be factual.
You misspelled that.
Well… for me it was that you were “bearing” down on moving the burden of proof. You made a statement that was challenged. Your response was to assert it as a true fact without meeting the burden of proof to establish it as such.
Also, if any of your posts are humor in your eyes, I pity your social group.
If that’s how you feel, why bother pushing on with the replies?
Right… Bets on how long that lasts?
Claiming that it is certain that three people are paid trolls is a little more than just calling someone a goof.
Then why did you go off on a bizarre tangent? To wit, “global scientific and medical consensus.”
You/Gold must be Brits. And trying to impress people with your notations is quite juvenile.
I’ll address this as soon as you have addressed the questions I have posed to you.
Those are:
1)Evidence?
2)Please explain how geographical location affects the truth or falsity of the claims.
D’Andre, you do come across as a stereotypical conspiracy theorist/alt-med supporter. I may have missed the full context of the conversation but from what I’ve seen so far that is the impression I have. The extended dodging of providing evidence to substantiate a claim you’ve made just adds to that. The full claim that “I assumed someone who was so much smarter than global scientific and medical consensus could work that out.” is one that is in line with people of that mindset.
You realise your inner racist is showing, right?
Also, in my case, you’re wrong.
Like @disqus_tlEIT18b4g:disqus, my profile is public and you could have figured that out with literally one click. Unlike Derp Turtle and yourself I’m not hiding behind a pseudonym. People like you, with an unhealthy fixation on stalking those that disagree with you, make me realise why people use pseudonyms though.
Meh, I don’t care about whether or not other people use psuedonmys personally. Claims stand or fall on their own merits.
I’ve been following the discussion between you, Derp Turtle and D’Andre. Your comment, “People like you, with an unhealthy fixation on stalking those that disagree with you…” is patently untrue. You and Derp attacked D’Andre first, and you and Derp are giving multiple replies to a single post. That, my friends, is stalking. You owe D’Andre an apology and you two need to clean up your act.
It is also obvious that you two are working together as a tag team. That’s pretty sad – you guys should man up.
That was in reply to D’Andre asking where we lived. That adds nothing at all to the conversation.
Actually, D’Andre started it by refusing to provide evidence to a claim that he asserted was a statement of fact. That statement being that there are 3 paid trolls on this comment thread. Things went in many different directions from that.
Ah… no. People of a similar mindset hanging out on the same comment thread does not mean we are working together. I can see how you could think that if you were of a particular conspiratorial disposition though.
It would be sad if it was true. It isn’t though. As evidence I present our combined disqus comment history. You will see 2 people with similar opinions and levels of persistence that infrequently, but occasionally, end up on the same comment threads.
Also… “man up”? Care to clarify that?
Stop lying, D’Andre asked where you come from, not where you currently live. It’s totally obvious you originated from somewhere in the UK.
For the rest of my reply please see what I wrote to Derp. You clowns are joined at the hip and pretty much copy each other, which leads me to believe…
I’m not lying. You saying I am like that is a solid claim though. Care to provide your evidence? I can provide evidence, given this question is about me specifically. But I’d rather see yours first seeing as you are the one accusing me of lying. To make such an accusation you must be very certain of your position. Yeah?
As for the chain of events though;
D’Andre claimed 3 of us here were paid trolls. When challenged he dodged. All of this ongoing conversation is the fallout from that one inability to provide evidence of a claim he clearly has no basis to make.
You can believe what you want. Facts are facts and will still be facts regardless of the accuracy of your belief.
I find it interesting that Megan doesn’t know this, given the fact that Megan has been following the conversation, don’t you?
I’m actually suspecting Megan hasn’t done more than skim the post she’s replying to.
Megan is correct. You two have to collude and play a tag team game (weak) in order to have a chance against her. Yet she is still crushing both of you. D’Andre named names yet you continue with your insane, redundant questions. Two people that are equally dense colluding to form an extremely dense partnership. You guys are funny to watch.
Assuming that you only have this comment thread to go on do you think that there could be any other explanation for the perceived collusion?
Any at all?
As for having to work together to “have a chance against her” we appear to be doing this separately, but at the same time.
Also, Megan tends to make bold faced accusations that are unfounded and frequently easily disproved.
Right…
That’s right, Megan destroyed you two.(as did D’Andre). You both post at the same time but Derp forgot you actually were stupid enough to link to a post that proves you lied about 20 times. LMAO big time.
The two of you couldn’t even defeat one little lady. Way to go Megan!!!!!
Collusion? Tag team? How can you ask about that? You BOTH tell the same lies and both of you can’t read a simple post, and both of you demonstrate a lack of common sense – did you both come out of the same (shallow) gene pool? That’s funny.
You are giving Brits a bad name.
P.S. Trying to pivot and change the dialogue to a question about collusion rather than apologize to M and D is really childish. But I’m not surprised.
Like D’Andre you can’t take the time to establish if you are correct or not. The data is literally one click away.
I’m not a Brit.
I didn’t pivot away or try and change the dialogue. I responded to an incorrect claim you made.
I keep bringing the topic back to the actual original claim that there are “three paid trolls” here. D’Andre still hasn’t addressed that initial claim. Easily settled by posting evidence.
The name thing came later. I already concede that I was mistaken on that. Not lying as Megan claimed. So Megan is actually incorrect and should be the one to apologise for jumping to an unfounded conclusion resulting in her incorrect accusation.
Time to tuck the old tail between the proverbial legs. You both repeatedly called D’Andre a liar as he told you he actually did post the names. Then you had the audacity to ask Megan and I to post D’Andre’s comments when you already had them in your possession. Then you called all of us liars when we told you that you are stupid in that you can’t read D’Andre’s post. Twerp STILL can’t figure out how to click on your link.
You are missing an important point here. You kept asking D’Andre to post a link to a comment you ALREADY READ!!! You couldn’t understand it the first time so why should D’Andre bother with a second, third or fourth time. And I repeat, Twerp STILL can’t understand it.
Talking to you two is like talking to a bag of hammers…and that’s me being kind – you two are the most foolish people I’ve seen on this board in many years.
I’m going to follow D’Andre’s advice and head on over to Sanityville. Oh wait, do you now want a link to Sanityville? Sorry, you can’t get in.
By the way, what is it with you two and your link fetish. Someone tells you that fire is hot and you demand links.
Hey, give the Queen a kiss for me.
Cole, can you link to where D’Andre named names and here’s the important bit: provided evidence?
Gawd are you ever ignorant. Can’t you read anything clearly. Your pal Gold actually linked to the post where D’Andre named the people – proving that both of you are massive liars. Why the…would you ask ME to post a link when you already have it. Did your mother drop you on your head as an infant? That’s funny – almost as funny as you.
This is funny too. You gang up on Megan and she STILL crushed both of you. When you find yourself in a hole you should stop digging. You cannot salvage this after making so many blunders.
Trust me on this, I’m trying to be nice (sort of) to you and Gold but it is difficult. You constantly attacked Megan and D’Andre for not posting the names and now you don’t even have the guts to apologize.
Hey dimbulbs, when are you going to ask me to show you where D’Andre named names…Oh wait, you did ask me that. Did I mention that Gold posted a link that proves that both of you are liars? Yes I did. But I need to tell you again because you can’t seem to remember anything.
Good luck with your upcoming surgery.
I asked you to show a post that provided evidence. Good lord, read.
“link to where D’Andre named names” Jesus H. Christ – how stupid are you? GOLD ALREADY POSTED THE LINK YOU ARE REQUESTING. Excuse my shouting, but why is so hard to understand? Look at your buddy’s posts – he provided the link
Why do I have to suffer fools like you two. Sweet Jesus please give them at least one brain to share. That’s funny too.
Nice contextomy.
“Link to where D’Andre named names AND this is the important part: provided evidence.” Do I seriously have to explain the word ‘and’?
AND provided evidence. Do you understand what the word ‘and’ means?
@disqus_tlEIT18b4g:disqus, they’re focused on the names bit. We’re focused on the claim of them being paid trolls.
They have to remain focused on the names thing because the actual unaddressed issue isn’t one they can defend. At least not until D’Andre or someone else actually provides evidence that the three claimed people are paid trolls.
Rather than being an arse you could have just said “Go back and reread the original post. The names are actually in it.” Instead you go on the attack and make false allegations of people being liars. Give people a chance to realise they were mistaken.
Now you’ve gone past silly…without even slowing down. You attack Megan and D’Andre day after day and now you attack me for pointing out how rude and ignorant you are.
Here’s silly/stupid #2 – Megan and D’Andre told Derp many times to read the original post, but as of 5 minutes ago he still can’t understand the post.
M and D showed you the error of your ways and now I have, yet you persist in defending your false statements. You two are amazing (in the worst way possible).
Time for you two to apologize and go attack other people…Oh wait, you do attack other people, even when you are totally in the wrong.
Can you two find your way home without leaving a trail of bread crumbs? Another funny comment from me.
I didn’t attack you just then. I pointed out how you could have responded without making yourself look like an arse.
You responded in a way that demonstrates that you don’t really know what an attack is. you must be very thin-skinned. Perhaps the Internet isn’t a thing for you.
You need to talk to your buddy. He/she is STILL asking for the link you posted. What the hell is the matter with Derp. I’ve never seen anything like it.
Serious question. If you two are really separate people then how is it possible you could both read the same simple, short post and not see that D’Andre named names. Two “bright” blokes and neither one of you could read the post properly. Hmm…what are odds of that?
Mainly because we weren’t challenging the names. We were asking for evidence of the “three paid trolls” claim. As mentioned repeatedly. The name thing came much later and wasn’t actually the important part of the discussion. You’d know that if you were honestly participating in the discussion.
Regarding the “If you two are really separate people” bit, if you were a “bright” block yourself you’d know we weren’t the same person by virtue of one of us having seen the names and having changed their position. If we were the same person we’d be on the same page by now.
Actually, she should know that even without participating, given that she’s been following the conversation.
The original post does not contain evidence of paid trolls.
What’s going on? My post was in response to Gold’s comment. So you guys are doing the tag team thing – which you deny doing.
You said, “The original post does not contain the names.” You lied – it does – and it took 3 days and 3 people to finally get through to you.
D’Andre covered this subject in detail in a previous post, but you deny it’s there (just like you denied the names are there). So why would anyone want to play the same game all over again? You and Gold have been outed as game players – you aren’t serious about this, you just want to gang up on a kid. Well I’m not a kid so bring it on. I can whip two poseurs like you without even breaking a sweat.
If you really want the evidence you claim to desire so much then read all the posts yourself – it obvious that showing you the post does no good.
Look, it’s never been about the names. It’s always been about evidence of 3 paid trolls. All you have to do is link to the post with evidence that people are getting paid.
And for heaven’s sake, learn how a public forum works.
Christ, you think you are Gold and now you think I’m D’Andre. D’Andre gave you the names and gave you the evidence – and you claimed that neither one of those elements existed.
For THREE days you demanded a link to info that was in right front of your eyes. I agree with D’Andre – you are just playing a game. Your “give me a link” game is really stupid.
Learn how a public forum works? Are you kidding? Stalking a guy for three days, asking for info you already have, is NOT how a public forum is supposed to work.
Grow up…or link to the post that shows me you are grown up. Damn, I’m a funny guy. Give me a link. You must give me a link. I demand a link. You are required to give me a link.
Give me a link to evidence of paid trolls.
I am satisifed about the names. I have found the names post. I know where the names post is. What I care about is the evidence of paid trolls.
All you have to do is link to that post where evidence of paid trollhood was provided.
All I have to do? Again, my response was to Gold, not you, and I am not D’Andre. I was able to read the post without the benefit of a link and so can you. You guys are just effing with people in your constant request for links. Hell, you got your link to the “names” post and you denied the post contained any names. Sooooo, not only are you playing a game, you are so stupid that you continue down that path after you are busted.
Here’s all you have to do – grow the eff up. But don’t stop posting as I do get a kick out of you guys.
“All I have to do? Again, my response was to Gold, not you, and I am not D’Andre.”
My apologies re: the D’Andre thing.
Re: Gold and replies, do you understand how a public forum work.
” I was able to read the post without the benefit of a link and so can you. You guys are just effing with people in your constant request for links. Hell, you got your link to the “names” post and you denied the post contained any names. ”
Yes, I got my link to the names post and stated that it consisted of allegations and not evidence. In other words, the names post is done. The evidence of paid trollhood is still outstanding.
“Sooooo, not only are you playing a game, you are so stupid that you continue down that path after you are busted.”
The difficulty lies in your inability or unwillingness to understand the concept of ‘and’, ‘both’ and ‘public forums’.
“Here’s all you have to do – grow the eff up. But don’t stop posting as I do get a kick out of you guys.”
Since you managed to find the evidence for paid trollhood without a link, why don’t you reply with ‘here it is’…or I’d suggest that if you had a public profile.
Once more, yes, the names have been provided. The names have been provided, I appreciate that the names have been provided. The names have been provided, yes, I got that – the claim that is still outstanding is that the people in question are paid trolls
Since the claim is about paid trolls:
1)Allegations (I accept that specific allegations were made, that’s the name thing) are not evidence
2)There must be evidence that the named people are BOTH trolls and paid.
3)Evidence of people being trolls is not evidence of them being paid
4)Evidence of people being paid is not evidence of them being trolled
5)3 and 4 need to BOTH be evidenced
6)I accept that names have been provided but that is not evidence of paid trollhood.
As D’Andre recently said, “Fool me once…” You proved (day after day) that giving you a second and third (and fourth, fifth…) chance to read a post does no good…or you are playing a game.
All that you desire was and is on the board. Had you been able to understand the posts many day ago you wouldn’t have to “go hunting” now. That’s on you Charlie.
Hmm…let’s see:
One of the things I desire is evidence for paid trollhood.
I won’t have any trouble finding it, right? Let’s run a search on D’Andre’s posts on this particular topic, using sort-by-oldest and
Ctrl+ F.
“What an asinine comment. You and Purple Crab along with the wolfman upvote each other on every single post. You could say it’s 10 PM and you’d get those two to upvote. It’s for certain all three of you are paid trolls. Or maybe you are a sock puppet.”
That is not evidence of paid trolls
D’Andre’s next comment:
“I already did.”
Not evidence of paid trolls either.
“No I wouldn’t…if I felt like it…which I don’t. If you are so interested then do the research yourself.”
Not evidence of paid trolls either.
“No, no, no – I made a statement of fact. It is you who is making a claim that I am wrong. The burden now falls to you to prove that I am wrong.”
Still not evidence of paid trolls.
“Hmm…well if you agreed with the veracity of my true statement then you wouldn’t have bothered to ask for evidence. Those who believe my true statement to be counterfactual must then bear the responsibility of proving as much – if they can bear to bare their thought processes to the same level of scrutiny one would give to a bear defecating in the forest.
From where in the UK do you originally hail?”
Still not evidence of paid trolls.
“Ha! You fell into my trap…a bear trap if you will. I wasn’t asking a rhetorical question about “a bear.” Had I done that you would be wrong again – the correct phrase is “does a bear SH*T in the woods,” not defecate. Now were I to ask, “Does a frog have a watertight azz,” then…
Once again you are getting circular on me. I need not prove a true statement to be true – that is merely a fanciful construct of your mind.
From where in the UK you hail is obviously a secondary aspect of our tête-à-tête. However, if you are a Brit then it would have some bearing.”
Still not evidence of paid trolls.
“Sorry, I didn’t realize you are one of those anti-vaccination goofs. If you weren’t such an idiot I’d take the time to edify you about the efficacy of vaccinations but there is no getting through to you morons. You must be from the UK.”
Not evidence of paid trolls either.
“Uh, then where would you get the idea that a physician is anti-vaccine? Quite the insulting comment I might add.”
Still not evidence of paid trolls.
“It would seem you have me confused with Fingal or someone else. Why are you objecting to me calling, in essence, Fingal a goof?”
Still not evidence of paid trolls.
“Let’s try this – exactly what statement of mine are you objecting to? I think you are confused”
That’s not evidence of paid trolls.
”
Jesus little man, take a breath. I just can’t believe that you and Gold are so upset because I’m “bearing” down on you with a little subtle humor – perhaps you find me “overbearing.”
Who the phuyck cares? I thought, at first, that you were just goofing around, but now it’s clear that you both have a collective hair up you azzez over something totally meaningless.
You really need to get a life. Bye.”
Nor is that evidence of paid trolls.
“Then why did you go off on a bizarre tangent? To wit, “global scientific and medical consensus.”
You/Gold must be Brits. And trying to impress people with your notations is quite juvenile.”
Nor is that.
Then I ask about where D’Andre named names and provided evidence and you run off about ‘ignorant’ and totally ignore how ‘both’ and ‘and’ and ‘evidence’ work.
“Hmm…do you understand that my comment was in response to Derp?
Realisation? Are you attempting to delve into the age-old question of what separates man from waterfowl? Now don’t try to duck that question. And don’t make me continue to goose you in an effort to ascertain your place of origin within the UK.”
Still not evidence of paid trollhood.
“Find it? There’s no need to find anything…it’s been here all the time, and this morning I posted it again (edit).”
For something that has supposedly been posted at least three times…it’s rather elusive. We’re talking about the claim of paid trollhood here, not whether or not names were named.
”
Here we go again. Previously you wanted the names even though I told you the names are in the post related to your FIRST post – the post you replied to has the names. For three days you and Gold harassed and stalked me demanding info you already had. You stalked me to the point where I was having problems with anxiety. I finally had to stop. Then Megan told you where the names are and you said she was lying. Then Cole jumped in and told you where the names are and you called him a liar. Finally Gold actually linked to the post to show that no names were listed – although the names were in plain view. This proves you guys can’t read or you are playing a game.
You and Gold have an agenda, and that agenda is to just cause stress. Now YOU say you never wanted the names (lie) and that you want something else. What will be next? Will you be asking me for the meaning of life?
For three days three people showed you the names and for three days you called us liars. I’m not going to expose myself to that awful stress again. The names are there and you denied it. The evidence is there in another post and you are denying that as well.
Again, I showed you the names and you denied they were in the post and you will do the same this time – no doubt about that. So if you want the evidence then read my posts, and this time get someone other than Gold to help you read them.”
And I’d already admitted the names where there and asked for evidence of those people being paid trolls. This is still not evidence of paid trollhood.
“Very sad. For three days you and Gold demanded that I give you the NAMES!!! And for three days you had the names right in front of you. NOW you pivot (and lie) and say you never asked me about the names.
YOU attacked me about the names when you had them all the time. I think you are just malicious. No one can be that stupid.
Now you do have the evidence of the payments, but I am not going to play this game with you. I give you the post and then you say the info isn’t there JUST like you did with the names. Fool me once…
I don’t think you are too lazy to read my posts – you are just playing the same game that you did with the names.
If you aren’t playing another game, and if you are not lazy, then take 10 minutes and read my posts.”
Yeh, I’ve just spent longer than that looking for evidence of paid trollhood.
“You wouldn’t have to “hunt” for anything if you had even the most rudimentary reading comprehension skills. Many days ago you had all the info available to you yet you weren’t intelligent enough to read it. So for three days you shouted that you demand a link to posts you already saw – totally stupid and offensive.
Now you talk of responsibility. I have no responsibility to give a stupid person the same info 20 or 30 times. Megan and Cole read my posts on day 1 and had no difficulty reading and understanding them. This is a problem with you and it’s 50/50 -are you a gamer or stupid. Which is it?”
Still not evidence of paid trollhood.
“See, I merely pointed out another fact yet you take umbrage with that. That would seem to me to be prima facie evidence that you have difficulty in accepting simple, factual statements.
What’s all this then…and tell me from whence you hail.”
Still not evidence of paid trollhood.
”
As far as most people are concerned, you can say whatever you want without any need for proof. I know I don’t care. Actually, it could be considered hubris on your part to think that people really care whether or not you provide proof about anything you say.
But let’s say I do care. Why don’t we take a look at some of your recent statements. “And you can ask any survivors of Hiroshima just how great it was that someone figured out how to split the atom. I guess you and I just have different priorities, and different values when it comes to human life.”
You made a statement that the Hiroshima survivors would think that learning how to split the atom was a great thing. I don’t think you can prove that statement to be true. Go ahead and try – the burden is on you. And how would you know if the target of your wrath doesn’t value human life? That’s a bold statement without any evidenciary support from you. Once again, you bear the burden of proof.
The proverbial ball is in your court. Good luck with that.”
Still not evidence of paid trollhood.
“So NOW you claim you were just being sarcastic. Too late amigo, that toilet paper is off the roll. And now the burden of proof is on you to prove that the good folks (survivors) of Hiroshima are four-square behind the idea of atomic weapons and are thrilled to have been incinerated.
Since you are having fun trying (and failing) to utilize bogus rhetorical techniques, let me return the favor. You say, “…splitting the atom was a great achievement [greater than development of vaccines].” Before we continue with your obsession with my statements, you must prove that you did not write the above words. You can’t, you did write them – your words are there for all to see.
Without proof that you did not write the above words (in quotes), I will have to assume that you are totally out of toilet paper.
P.S. You are not alone in marveling at my brilliance.”
Still not evidence of paid trollhood.
Mike wrongly makes the meds comment and D’Andre rightly calls him out on it. That’s all well and good but not evidence for paid trollhood – I don’t really expect it to be, either.
“Very funny. I quoted you – that’s not making a claim. As for any other statements of fact that I’ve made, you can find corroboration throughout my posts. If you can’t remember my true statements then you might want to take notes.
And now it is your turn to provide proof for your claim that the survivors of Hiroshima are joyous about being nuked.”
Still not evidence of paid trollhood.
“Good thing you aren’t a solicitor – ignorance of the law is no excuse. The burden is on you to know the rules and not violate them…which you do constantly.
So where’s your proof about the joyous Hiroshima victims?”
Not evidence of paid trollhood.
“A complete and total logical fallacy. You are equating a true statement with a false statement.
Would you be able to “prove” the existence of gravity were you not permitted to utilize observation? I think not.”
Not evidence of paid trollhood
Comment about gravity, not evidence of paid trollhood either.
“And many don’t believe in gravity…but they are wrong as well. You can only “prove” the existence of gravity via observation, yet you know it to be true. So why then do not the same observational rules apply to me? Those rules must apply to me therefore my statement, yea all my statements, are as true as gravity.”
Since it’s as true as gravity it’s amazing how long it’s taking @stefangriswalter:disqus to provide evidence for the claim of paid trollhood.
A couple of gravity comments which aren’t evidence of paid trollhood, either.
Comment about getting identities confused – not evidence of paid trollhood either.
Another comment about gravity, not evidence of paid trollhood either. A bunch more comments about gravity which aren’t nor do they contain evidence of paid trollhood.
“Didn’t I get rid of you or was that one of your boyfriends? This is definitely the last time I will bother to educate you (unless you say some more really stupid stuff). Here’s your problem – it was clear you knew nothing about science when we started this absurdity and then suddenly, like magic, knowledge appeared. Turns out you’re a copy/paste Google scientist. You really ought to change some words here and there – make it look like you have a clue.
Anyway, it is you who should have Googled one more time. There is no universal law of gravity, dimwit. There is, however, Newton’s law of universal gravitation. You can go to Google and copy/paste why a universal law of gravity and Newton’s law of universal gravitation are not one and the same. You see, moron, that gravity exists and it’s universal is not the same…oh wait, I’m going to let you Google it so you can post some garbage that will make the unwashed masses think you are brilliant.
I really must bid a fond farewell to you as there are other numbskulls out there who need my assistance.
Bye (unless you can come up with more idiotic statements)”
Still no evidence of paid trollhood.
“Good for you – you looked up the concept of falsifiability. Now explain the why of gravity on a small or large scale. Why do massive objects bend spacetime. You can’t.”
Not evidence of paid trollhood either.
”
That’s quite the bold statement coming from you – that I refuse to provide proof. I said that I don’t feel like it – that’s not a refusal, I merely declined. But you made the statement that somewhere I said I refused and that somewhere I lied.
The burden of proof now falls on you – show me where I said “refuse.”
So far, this is the closest to evidence of paid trollhood and it’s not evidence.
“No, no, no – you still must relieve the crushing burden upon your back. You said many words and some of them were refuse and feel, therefore you refuse to feel. Personally I don’t care if you suffer from anhedonia, and I don’t care that you are incapable of recognizing the hard evidence I provided for you, but you must agree with me. Agree to what you might ask – well that is a good question, but it’s another question from you that doesn’t motivate me to take action. Yeah, I know, you still collect action figures but why? Now that is a question that needs to be answered.
You also need to prove that you are not a bot. I think your computer has been taken over by Bulgarians who are obsessed with meaningless statements posted on a board that 50 people read. But wait, perhaps it is you who is obsessed. Hmm…that’s a disturbing thought. What else might you be obsessed about. Do you lock your front door three times for luck? Do you even have a front door? Do you organize your cupboards five times a day? Do you have cupboards? So tell me about your obsessions – I hope it’s not just me you are obsessed about.
Whew, I hope that’s enough to keep you entertained for a while. If I could I’d send you a bright, shiny object for you to obsess about. Try this, go into a round room and try to piss in a corner – now that will keep you occupied for weeks.”
Not hard evidence, either.
“That’s only in your mind. I merely said I don’t feel like it. I didn’t say that I absolutely wouldn’t do it. Who knows, perhaps tomorrow I’ll feel like it. Make sure you check back often.”
Still not evidence of paid trollhood.
“You are as funny as those other two nitwits – perhaps even funnier as you travel down the same dead end road already traveled by the other idiots. What in the world would make you think I give a rat’s ass what you believe?
Hey, why don’t you spend the next three days of your life pondering whether or not a meaningless statement on a meaningless board is accurate or not (it is).
Too funny.”
Still not evidence of paid trollhood.
There, I’ve gone through all of D’Andre’s posts on this topic via sorting for oldest and using the power of Ctrl+F and looking for evidence of three paid trolls….and there is none.
@Glaug:disqus, @CitizenGold:disqus, @disqus_Vqd9OqZVm7:disqus, @meow_cat_is_meow:disqus @theoldleft:disqus @disqus_0bT5QNRHDf:disqus , you may find this interesting.
Megan, I don’t feel the need to ping you since you’ve been following the conversation and know all this already.
If somebody’s willing to pay me to post comments, hook me up, I want some $$$$$
So what’s your point? If you want to catch fish you need a good net.
You said that D’Andre had already provided all I desire. One of the things I desire is evidence of paid trollhood.
As you can see, that’s one of the things not provided.
I read it and Megan read it, why can’t you read it? Oh yeah, it took you three days to read a sentence that was staring you in the face.
Look little buddy, you already proved you can’t find anything…especially if it’s slapping you in the face. It doesn’t surprise anyone that you are having such a difficult time now.
I have read it, none of it is evidence of paid trollhood.
Look, if you can find it, just point me to it.
Point you to it? For three days three people pointed you to the names yet you continued to deny their existence. Now you say, “I have read it…” what a freaking joke. You “read” the names post and look how that turned out. We’ve been down this road before, you proved to be incompetent, and now you want to do it all again. Hmm…nah.
I read the names post, admitted that names were there.
Read all of D’Andre’s posts, no evidence of paid trollhood.
Yeah, after THREE days of reading and denying you finally gave up that game and admitted the names were there all the time. You are doing the same thing again. Whatever I give you will be rejected, just like with the names game.
Just admit it – you had the names all along and were just acting like a fool for some unknown reason. Admit it.
Where is evidence of paid trollhood?
It’s right in front of you – just like the names were right in front of you. And just like with the names, the evidence will magically appear to you in three days. Be patient grasshopper.
I’ve just been through that for evidence of paid trollhood. There is none.
That’s exactly what you said about the names. Should I provide you with a link?
Maybe you need to crawl on your belly and beg forgiveness for the names thing, and promise you will never do that again.
Yes, please do provide me with a link for evidence of paid trollhood.
Baby steps, little man, baby steps. First you have to rectify the mess you made with the whole names debacle. You need to build up some trust before we can move forward with confidence.
You need to provide us with a link to where you expressed true contrition.
What does my contrition or lackthereof have to do with D’Andre’s responsibility for D’Andre’s claims? Oh right, none.
No, no no – you proved to D’Andre that you can’t be trusted to process information correctly, now you must win back that trust. The onus is on you (along with some other stuff). Damn, funny again. You should try being funnier.
D’Andre is the one who has an obligation to support D’Andre’s claim. Logic 101.
Introduction to Logic…you failed.
Just wait the three days it takes for the written word to penetrate your…that thing on top of your neck. Look at the bright side, do you know how long it takes a photon to travel from the center of the sun and finally escape? More than the three days you have to wait.
Not sure you passed the course yourself.
Didn’t have to. I wrote the textbook you can’t remember reading. Can you still remember the names of the trolls? Didn’t think so.
Who cares? It was always about paid trollhood.
Exactly, who cares? But it’s all about you being given information and then lying and saying you never got it. Same with the “evidence” – you got it, you read it and now you’re denying it just like before.
Prove you’re not lying just like the last time.
Hey Cole – thanks for the shout out this morning – much appreciated.
This Twerp guy is a hoot. How come (many, many days ago) we were able to read all of D’Andre’s evidence while Twerp and Goldilocks can’t seem to figure it out? Wait a second – they couldn’t read the names either and attacked D’Andre instead. It all makes sense now.
Thanks, we can all see D’Andre specifically made accusations you were a paid troll and has been unable to justify that by producing evidence for the claim.
Just as you have said all along.
Now if Cole thinks he has done so, maybe he would be kind enough to point out where this supposedly happened.
Mike, if it ever comes up, will you link to D’Andre’s evidence?
Sure, but don’t hold your breath….
Mike Stevens is gay and comments on gay forums.
What a pathetic, small-minded little asswipe you are, Travis.
Is Travis 12 years old?
Reverse cowgirl?? Really Mike???
Mike touches himself to this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZBtPf7FOoM
I won’t, hence the ‘if’, rather then ‘when’.
Here’s a 411 for you Stevens – you don’t have a clue about what is really going on. For some deranged reason you think I called out Twerp as a shill. Even though you’ve been corrected, you still cling to your mistaken beliefs – much like a religious zealot which I’m sure you are.
You’re even dumber than Twerp. You are looking for evidence that Twerp is a shill – a claim you accuse me of making. You pull something out of your butt and try to sell it as a candy bar. Epic fail.
Twerp had the evidence in hand for three days and couldn’t understand it. How long will it take you to figure out that Twerp is just an intruder and never was a target of mine? Hmm…you’ve had three days and still haven’t grasped that fact…I’m guessing maybe five days for you.
You accused others of being “paid trolls”.
Can you provide the evidence to back up that claim?
In view of your difficulties with english comprehension, let me be very specific:
Can you demonstrate that those you accused of being “paid trolls” are in fact being paid by some other party in order to “troll” these discussion boards?
If you cannot, then you have no grounds for accusing them of being “paid trolls”.
You might justifiably state that in your opinion, they are behaving how you would anticipate a paid troll might behave, but I hope you see that this is a quite different claim altogether from the one that you did make?
Bull pucks – you said I accused Twerp and Goldilocks of being paid shills. You wrote it – stop with the denial already. You zippys change stories faster than Oliver Stone.
Still waiting for you to at least get the names correct. I realize you have a lot on your mind what with all your new buddies that need your attention, so I’ll give you another 3 days.
Finally, yes!
So, you have no evidence anyone you accused of being paid was paid then?
We finally get an admission from you…
Here’s one of your many problems. You never read/understood the thread. I made a statement of fact, not an accusation. And I informed the Tweedle family that I had solid proof, not some flimsy evidence. I’ve been saying this all along – you just haven’t gotten the memo yet.
See what happens when you intrude without educating yourself first. Next time you might want to try some wit in your comments (or whit in your world of 3rd grade English). God, you are such a buffoon.
“Here’s one of your many problems. You never read/understood the thread”
That’s quite amusing, seeing as how you didn’t understand the discussion that whollyfullyexpected and I were having on the benefits of vaccines, when you decided to jump in feet first.
” I made a statement of fact, not an accusation. And I informed the Tweedle family that I had solid proof.”
I am referring to the claim you made was that 3 people were “paid trolls”. You may call that a “statement”, I call it an accusation.
All I have ever done is ask you to provide the “solid proof” for that, which you now claim to have. So can we see it please?
Are you and Twerp sharing the same brain?
Every time I give something to Twerp he denies that he got it. Three and then four people tried to pound it into his head (that he had/has the info) for almost a week to no avail. Is it any surprise that he now denies he got more info? It isn’t to me. And it isn’t surprising to me that other members of “Team Twerp” are also unable to understand simple posts.
Are you sure you aren’t the Donald in disguise?
Because your inability to get things right, and your predeliction to double down with the stupid when anyone corrects you has a rather familiar ring to it.
Hmm…first you play the n@zi card and now you play the Trump card (that’s witty…as opposed to you who prefers “whitty”). You are correct about being corrected – I correct you and you double down with stupid. I’m glad you admit to being stupid. What you need to do now is read the posts about 30 more times and see if you can outdo Twerp.
Again, I refer to your claim that 3 people were “paid trolls”.
Are we going to see the promised proof for this accusation any time soon?
Aren’t you going to use “to whit” (sic) again? Why not?
Some other goof tried to play the “prima face” (sic) card – so what card are you going to play next?
You need to follow the lead of Twerp and Goldilocks – read the posts 30 or 40 times and you will finally be enlightened. As much as I like you, I can’t do the reading for you.
Well, I see that you will do anything to avoid answering my question.
Can you focus for a moment….?
You claimed that others were “paid trolls”.
Can you provide the evidence to support this claim, or not?
A simple yes or no will do, and if it is a yes, please do so.
Thank you.
Me? You haven’t answered any of my questions. You conveniently forgot that it is you jumped in here uninvited. I asked a few questions to establish your bona fides and you ignored all my inquiries. Instead you started playing the same game the rest of your group is playing. Step up and man up – prove yourself.
I provided evidence to Twerp and Goldilocks 30 or 40 times and was called a liar every time. Now you want me to begin again with you. I was born at night but it wasn’t last night. Take some responsibility and grow up.
You haven’t provided evidence that anyone here is a “paid shill”.
Protesting that you have done so 30 or 40 times doesn’t make the evidence miraculously appear out of thin air.
You claimed you had “solid proof”, but have failed repeatedly to produce any.
One can only conclude that you have no proof.
In response to my persistent and unfulfilled requests to see this proof, you now say I have not answered your questions to “establish my bona fides”.
Firstly, I am unaware that you have asked me for these. Perhaps if you were not such a coward, and instead set your profile public, then I could look back and find where you did this, but unless you do that I will be unable to find your request out of the dozens of utterly pointless comments you have made so far on this thread. So, can you link me to this post, or ask me again please?
Secondly, I am unsure what type of “bona fides” you desire, or why you think they are even relevant to the main point here, which is Why are you so scared to provide this “solid proof” that other posters are paid shills?
Good lord man, how messed up is your brain? Shills and trolls are not the same thing – no matter how much you want them to be…just like “wit” and “whit” are not the same thing.
I certainly did provide the names 30 to 40 times (along with Megan and Cole). You know that I never wrote the word “shill,” you deny that the names were provided, you deny that I provided solid proof of the names, and you demean yourself by asking childish, loaded questions.
Ha, ha – why are you so scared to admit you are an a-hole?
By the way, you are once again confused – you only need to look at your own posts. Don’t you know how a forum works? Apparently not.
Evidence anyone here is a paid troll?
Evidently not.
This crap is getting funnier by the minute. You are so upset that a 14 year old black kid is stomping all over you that you resort to being more of a child than he is. You try to put the word “shill” into his mouth, you attempt to bait him and you try to “get him” with leading and loaded questions. Face it, D’Andre is smarter than you.
We all know you poseurs already have all the info, and we know you are just playing a game.
I agree it’s funny, and must confess that yanking his chain does have a lot of amusement value. I like counting how many knots D’Andre ties himself into in his efforts to deny that he said what he said.
I know it’s weird….given that he made a simple factual claim, isn’t it?
Hey D’Andre. From my experience, Mike Stevens may not actually be paid.
He seems as though he really is an immunologist, although requirements in England appear to be less rigorous than in America.
With that said, there certainly are paid propagandists such as:
•DerpTurtle
•ILoveJellyBeans
•JoeFarmer
•And an unidentified shape-shifting psychobully who has too many names to list and always poses as an expert.
Real people include:
•Dorit Reiss
•Aaron Oakley
•And probably Mike Stevens, although he claims to be using a pseudonym.
Dorit Reiss has stock in drug companies as far as I can tell.
Mike Steven’s retirement account is probably heavily invested in Glaxo.
Reverse cowgirl Mike? With a ginger???
You might not be a paid troll, but you are weird. I did a Google search and found your comments on UFO forums, racist forums, and gay forums.
Managed to demonstrate that those you accused of being paid trolls are paid trolls yet?
If so, just link to it. If not, why on earth not – I thought you only made simple, factual statements.
That’s a good one. You continue to be funny. You are repeating yourself. Your above words are exactly the same words you used when you couldn’t understand previous info. I can see that you are having the same problem once again.
You need to prove that you can actually read and understand a post. Perhaps you should fully explain what causes your problem.
You accused people of being paid trolls. The longer you go without posting evidence (and no, allegations (i.e. names) do not count as evidence), the more it looks like you can’t support the claim.
By the way, a shill is someone who is doing ALL THREE OF these things
1)Publicly helping/giving credibility to some person/orginsation
AND (as in one alone is not enough)
2)Has a relationship with that person/org
AND
3)Is compensated in some way for doing so
AND
4)Fails to disclose 2.
Unless you think that someone has in fact, disclosed their relationship, a paid troll and a shill are fairly indistinguishable. And it doesn’t matter who you think is a paid shill, it’s still your claim and your responsibility to support it, ideally without being asked. Failing that, your responsibility to support it when called out on baseless allegations (the names) has little to do with others’ standing or lackthereof.
Also, 3)Learn how public forums work.
When you find the names would you link those to Stevens? He thinks you and Gold are the targets…he’s not too bright…you could find a better wrestling buddy.
I’m quite aware of where the names are as is Mike.
Mike is simply bright enough to understand that allegations (names, in this case) are not evidence (proof of being paid in this case.) If you’re not, that’s hardly my or his fault.
ROTFLMFAO. You bozos are too much. You spent 3 days trying to find the nose on your face – even though 3 people kept pointing to it.
And Mike? Are you kidding me? He doesn’t even have the vocabulary of a tenth grader. “To Whit” (sic) LMAO.
I’ll give you three more chances to solve the riddle.
I found the names. Names are allegations.
Find the evidence and state it plainly. It is your responsibility to support your claim.
Let’s assume that Mike has a vocabulary of a ninth grader – what’s that got to do with whether or not you provided evidence for your claims?
What a load of garbage – yet one more counterfactual statement. You didn’t “find” the names. We beat you over the head with the names for almost a week before we could penetrate your skull. Three of us pounded on you and Goldilocks, giving you the names 30 or 40 times.
Now you demand that we start the pounding process all over again. You proved 40 times that your brain cannot absorb info. Why would I want to start another brain-pounding session?
I know the names. I never asked you for them, I never said or thought I was one of them.
What I want is to see the proof you claim to have that those people are “paid trolls”, which you clearly don’t have, or you would have provided it by now.
I’m not interested in where he named three people. I’m interested in where he provided evidence for the claim of three people being paid trolls.
Allegations are not evidence.
So someone has accused others of being “paid trolls”.
I think that it is quite appropriate that those accused should request unequivocal evidence that they are firstly “trolling”, and secondly that they are being specifically paid to do so, don’t you?
Who said otherwise?
You need to catch up. The information you reference was given to the accused. Twerp and Old Gold were not accused of anything other than being gamers and idiots.
Not only is Mike Stevens a paid troll, he is also a white supremacist. [scroll down]
He Mike, Diva liked your comment on the UFO forum; the one about “Tesla antigraviton technology.”
http://www.alienhub.com/threads/how-to-get-abducted-by-aliens.29999/page-12#post-10256483
Named does not constitute evidence of paid trolling.
It is amazing how often you can go “So, given that x, you should have no problem with y.” and watch people do the internet equivalent of stutter impotently.
I stated you are lying – not an accusation when it’s in black and white. D’Andre never asked you for your current address – total lie on your part.
Another obvious lie – D’Andre never called you a paid troll as you attacked him fist. YOU brought up the subject. If you continue to assert that D’Andre said that Gold is a paid troll then you need to link to that statement.
Final lie – D’Andre never mentioned “3” – prove your claim.
Oh dear. You really don’t understand how words work do you. Your statement is the accusation. How would you phrase that to make it an accusation in your mind?
Half correct. You are right in saying he never asked for anyone’s current address. But no one, except you, has said he did. He asked for locations. You can search the entire page and see that you are the only one that has mentioned “address” in this context.
So now there is evidence that proves you wrong should I call you a liar? The poorly thought out second half of your statement would suggest that I should. I’m open minded though. I’m willing to concede that you made an honest mistake and are just plain wrong.
Again, half correct. If you’d been following this comment thread, as you claim you have, you would know that this is incorrect.
Here is D’Andre’s initial post that started the whole thing;
https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/whooping-cough-alabama-vaccinated/#comment-3326864869
Your claim that I brought up the subject is demonstrably incorrect as evidenced by the above link.
I’ve also never claimed that D’Andre claimed I was a paid troll. I just pointed out he claimed there were 3 paid trolls here.
In fact we’ve asked him to point out who he was referring to. You can see that unanswered request here;
https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/whooping-cough-alabama-vaccinated/#comment-3331409440
So, looking at the claim above… Every part of it is wrong.
You do know that you can search the comments on this page to verify what you claim is correct, yeah?
Please see the first I gave in this reply as evidence that demonstrates this claim is also wrong. The claim from D’Andre has been copy/pasted a few times in this comment thread. Given your claim that you have been following this thread I’m surprised you didn’t know this. It would have been a simple matter to search this page for the repeated claim so you could find the source.
I’m starting to see that you’re new to this critical thinking thing.
“In fact we’ve asked him to point out who he was referring to.” You proved my point for me. You linked to a post where D’Andre NAMES all three people. What’s wrong with you? Why would you put up a link that proves you are a liar?
D’Andre only asked about which part of the UK you are from – that’s a far cry from asking for specificity – once again you lie. You guys are from the UK – you admitted that in posts from long ago. D’Andre just figured it out from the way you write.
Geez, you twins keep saying that you are seekers of truth yet you lie constantly.
Sorry for being redundant, but I can’t resist. You say, “In fact we’ve asked him to point out who he was referring to. You can see that unanswered request here.” D’Andre named all three right from the start. What more do you want? Do you want the home phone numbers. You and Tweedledee are really special needs people.
Critical thinking? Joke’s on you, my fine friend. YOU posted a link that shows you are lying. Doesn’t sound like any kind of thinking on your part.
Do yourself a favor and come to the realization that D’Andre named names in the first post. You and your sidekick are just making yourselves look totally foolish.
Huh… What do you know. Having gone back and reread it I see you are correct. 🙂 This doesn’t make me a liar, it makes me wrong. Now evidence has been pointed out I have accepted it and updated my position.
Your accusation that I’m a liar is still an incorrect one. You’re very quick to jump to a judgement on people.
@disqus_tlEIT18b4g:disqus, that will likely be of interest to you too.
The actual claim is still unaddressed though. D’Andre still needs to provide evidence that they’re paid trolls to demonstrate that that it is not an unfounded claim.
Actually, you are the only one that has mentioned anything to do with a specific address. Everyone else has only asked about or responded to things about broad locations as a country scale.
Please link to the post where I admit I’m from, in, or have ever even been to the UK.
D’Andre could have figured it out from our profiles. This information is literally 1 click away.
There’s no “figuring it out” needed. Also, if this is the conclusion you and D’Andre have settled on, that we are both from the UK, you are both wrong.
You’ve not actually pointed out any lies either of us have made. You’ve accused us, yes, but an accusation is not a fact without some evidence to establish it as such.
As mentioned above, I was mistaken and concede the point. Being mistaken is not the same as lying.
As mentioned above, I was mistaken and concede the point. Being mistaken is not the same as lying. I strongly suspect you don’t understand “lying”.
I accept that. However, that wasn’t the original accusation. This started with a claim that there are three paid trolls. The request for names came later.
The proof that these users are paid trolls is still outstanding.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/215956f31f8d224ab2069d089bb3e5a6af38dc0f9d8ce5e467a6a79e333e2c9a.png
Do you realise that you are coming across as a sidekick of D’Andre? Actually, when you post D’Andre is silent. Are you a sockpuppet account perhaps?
This is too much. I’m laughing till it hurts – tears are in my eyes. Over and over and over and over again you demanded that D’Andre cough up the names of the trolls. And over and over again he told you to ACTUALLY read the freaking post that he put up. And then I told you over and over again to actually read the post and stop all your nonsense. So now you’ve “updated” your position? Is that the same as admitting you are an…
Don’t try to weasel out of this. You told D’Andre many times that he never listed the names – that is a LIE and you know it. D’Andre apparently has given up on you guys. How many times did he tell you the names are in the post??? I’m guessing he grew weary of trying to explain something to dolts. I would have responded sooner but I thought you and Tweedledum were just kidding. I was wrong – you two guys are just…
Now you pivot and say you want this info and that info. D’Andre’s posts to the actual targets (not you twits) are quite informative. BUT you zippys didn’t read those either. How can you keep asking questions that have already been answered? Many people on this board think you are loose-brained…I agree.
I win, you lose – time to man up and apologize to D’Andre…unless you are just a puss.
Actually, we were requesting evidence for the claim that these were paid trolls. The request for the names came much later. The name issue was also resolved quickly when you pointed out that the names were in fact in the post. D’Andre could have resolved it quickly by doing the same thing. He chose not to.
So you’re incorrect on that claim.
Correct. What would you do when you were proven wrong? Well… I guess we are actually seeing what you do when proven wrong right now.
I would expect you to be leading me to the word “liar” here. But that doesn’t flow from a grammatical perspective. “A liar”, not “an liar.”
But no. It doesn’t mean I was lying. It meant I was wrong. That’s nothing to be ashamed of. Not unless I refuse to update my position in the face of my error being made clear.
I’m not entirely sure you know how lying works either.
That must be a conversation happening elsewhere given it’s not made clear here yet. You could reasonably assume that you, D’Andre and Cole think that, but you plus 2 others hardly counts as “many”.
Also, if that conversation is happening elsewhere then that would be collusion. You guys seem to think that is a bad thing seeing as you describe @disqus_tlEIT18b4g:disqus and I of it in a rather derogatory way. So, should that be the case, and I’m not saying it is, it would make you guys hypocrites.
You would expect incorrectly. I was referring to the fact that you are an a-hole – you already know you are a liar. But here we go again – you go off on a tangent and start talking about grammar and, once again, demonstrate how wrong you are.
I’m going to follow Cole’s lead as you two are nuts. Here’s the proof that you are nuts (since you two always want proof). All of us asked you to actually read the post from D’Andre, a post that’s staring you in the face, but rather than read a post a few inches up the page you constantly ask for a link (per your link fetish). Anyone, and I mean anyone who would behave like you two has to be nuts.
Ah. That does flow correctly from a grammatical point of view.
Also, resorting to name calling? I accept your concession.
Also, before you point out that I used the term “arse” earlier I wasn’t calling Cole that. I was just pointing out that that’s how he looked with his posting style.
I’ve never accepted that accusation and have even explained why it is incorrect. It’s not my fault you can’t grok the reasons or the definitions of the words you use.
If you didn’t want people to respond to things when they are unclear you should probably work on being more concise in your posts so there is no ambiguity in what you are saying.
You misused the word grok.
Indeed I did. I was thinking it was “to fully understand”.
These clowns don’t appear to grok anything in this comment thread.
Cheers.
That’s a good one Megan, I’m sure it pissed him off even though many people have called him that and worse.
Thanks for letting me into your private history – I have done the same for you. I’ll give a shout out to D’Andre tomorrow and congratulate him for the awesome job he did on those kiwis.
Well, have a great evening and I’ll keep my eyes peeled for any more stalkers.
Cole
And many thanks to you Cole.
I haven’t had this much fun on a board in quite some time. It was hard to act like I was offended and unhappy with them, but I think I pulled it off. It was really freakish that two people could be so obsessed with a meaningless comment on a board that nobody reads. Apparently they aren’t familiar with the concept of “who cares.” Funny stuff indeed. Their constant drumbeat of link, link, link was hilarious since they already read the link.
Job well done to both you and D’Andre. I’m sure these two boneheads will be stalking us so I’ll “see” you next time they work themselves into a frenzy.
I think you’ve confused the word accusation for the word implication. Not the same word.
With evidence. Do you understand what that word means?
It would still make us wrong though. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
That post addressed a number of things. What specifically would still make us wrong”
Regardless, two wrongs don’t make a right is a common sense thing. I can understand the need to point it out for these guys though.
I was just pointing it out in general for these guys…you were just a convenient ‘hook’…really.
My original request was always for evidence. Why do you not know this given that you’ve been following the conversation?
You’d think Megan would know this since she’s been following the conversation?
Also, let’s take it as true for the moment that we are a tag team as @disqus_wCH3QKImsS:disqus proposes. Pretty sad, yes, but there you go.
However….how does it affect the truth or falsity of any claims that I, Gold, or D’Andre make?
“I’ve been following the discussion between you, Derp Turtle and D’Andre.”
That’s great! That means you’ll be able to provide evidence.
“Your comment, “People like you, with an unhealthy fixation on stalking those that disagree with you…” is patently untrue.”
Since you have been following the conversation, you know what context this was in. Why have you removed it from its proper context? Framed in its proper context, no-one has that card to use in their argument and also, it shows that you have nothing to hide.
” You and Derp attacked D’Andre first, ”
Then you should have no trouble linking to where Gold and where I attacked D’Andre first. I’m sure you agree that merely asking for evidence is not quite the same thing as attacking.
“and you and Derp are giving multiple replies to a single post.”
Did you have a point?
“That, my friends, is stalking.”
So, let’s say that you work in a school somewhere and one of your fellow teachers sends you a memo about a meeting somewhere about an upcoming meeting in the next fortnight.
During that fortnight, something else comes up so the same fellow teacher sends you another memo about the meeting. Are you going to accuse that second teacher (the first being you) of stalking?
I suppose it could be interpreted as striding somewhere in a stiff, proud or angry manner but somehow, I doubt that was what you meant.
If anything, it would seem closer to spamming than stalking.
” You owe D’Andre an apology and you two need to clean up your act.”
I tell you what, I’ll apologise as soon as you link to where I attacked D’Andre first. It should be easy since I have a public profile and you’re following the conversation.
“It is also obvious that you two are working together as a tag team. That’s pretty sad – you guys should man up.”
First off, let’s take this argundo for a moment.
Let’s assume that we are working together as a tag team – what’s that got to do with the truth or falsity of the claim?
Further, let’s assume that it’s pretty sad. What’s that got to do with the truth or falsity of the claim?
Even further, let’s assume we do need to both man up. What’s that got to do with the truth or falsity of the claim?
Back to the original point of this part. What evidence do you have that we’re working as a tag team? It should be easy given that both Gold and I have public profiles and it’s obvious.
You and Gold are real pips. You think waaaay too much of yourselves. You really need to find some kind of life outside of your fantasy that you are somehow junior G-men.
You want me to provide evidence that I’ve been following the discussion. That’s a brilliant request. You and Gold are transparent. You think you are clever by always asking for evidence. Clearly D’Andre doesn’t give a crap about what you want.
Of course you attacked D’Andre first. He made a comment directed at someone other than you. The you and Gold jumped in, uninvited, and demanded (that’s demanded) that D’Andre provide some kind of evidence to prove an opinion. Brilliant tactic…when used against people who share your limited intellectual capacity. Here is your problem – you and Gold have no standing. Do you know what that means? You can write whatever you want, and you can demand whatever you want, but you still lack standing. D’Andre recognized that and skillfully jerked you around – but you are too dense to recognize what was happening.
Evidence that you and Gold are a tag team? Observation. You post together, upvote together and generally say the same stuff – totally obvious. Look at Gold’s post to me – same stuff as your post. You folks need to be more original.
By the way, your little school story is bizarre, unless you are a child.
Interesting conclusion. Incorrect, at least in my case. @disqus_tlEIT18b4g:disqus, are you a junior G-man?
We’ve been saying that all along.
How else would you expect to learn anything?
As evidenced by their repeated claims to stop responding to us. Odd that they’ve not followed through with that though.
If by “attacked” you mean “asked for evidence of a claim”, then yes. By the way, that’s a bizarre definition of “attack”.
We don’t know that. Hit statement was in reference to “three paid trolls”. He didn’t name anyone, and still hasn’t as far as I’m aware. I am still catching up though so he may have responded to my request for that clarification. Sorry, I’ll use your terms… He may have responded to that attack.
Right… Another odd definition. You interpret a request as a demand. I wonder how long it’ll be before we need a translation dictionary for your posts.
You do realise that this is a public forum, right? Anyone can respond to anyone. If he wanted it private he shouldn’t have posted it here.
Thank you. But again, I’m not sure if “tactic” is the word you were meaning here. Requesting evidence of a claim to establish the factual nature of it is a reasonable thing. Calling it a “Brilliant tactic” though… I’d more think of it as a useful tool brought about by the simple application of common sense.
Well… you did just refer to something that I consider common sense to be a “Brilliant tactic” so I’m not sure how to read this.
I’m sitting.
Given you have odd definitions for so many things I’m not sure I know what you think it means. But seeing as you don’t actually explain it in the rest of your post I guess I’ll have to wait for the answer.
Would our possession of, or lack of standing impact how factual the original claim was?
Ah… Actually D’Andre continually refused to address the original claim and demonstrated a fundamental lack of understanding of where the burden of proof lies and how the idea of the burden of proof actually works. Instead of performing a little self reflection and responding they dug their heels in and made themselves look like an arse.
You need better observation skills. Or better skills at drawing a conclusion from limited data.
All this tells you is that we have similar opinions and are in agreement with each other more than not.
So you did missed the point.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
To be fair, I did tell D’Andre to quit stalling. I think that can be reasonably interpreted as demanding.
“You and Gold are real pips. You think waaaay too much of yourselves. You really need to find some kind of life outside of your fantasy that you are somehow junior G-men.”
I don’t even know what G-men are.
“You want me to provide evidence that I’ve been following the discussion. ”
Please link to where I said this. I have a public profile which should make sad linking easy. Use the wayback machine if I have since deleted or edited said comment. I think you’ll find that what I actually said was something to the effect of “As a consequence of the fact of you following the discussion and as a consequence of the fact that I have a public profile, it should be easy to provide evidence.”
Fallacy 1: Strawman.
“That’s a brilliant request. ”
If this isn’t sarcasm, it’s irrelevant since it’s not a request I made. If it is sarcasm, I agree that it would be a stupid request…good job it’s not a request I actually made, right?
“You and Gold are transparent. You think you are clever by always asking for evidence.”
I wonder why it seems so difficult to provide evidence given that we’re so transparent Hmm…this is an interesting claim. As a universal, I can disprove it by pointing to any post at all where either I or Gold failed to ask for evidence.
” Clearly D’Andre doesn’t give a crap about what you want.”
Can you explain to me what D’Andre’s obligation to provide whatever support D’Andre has for the claims that D’Andre made (as in, D’Andre made) has to do with what I or Gold want (or whay you, or what anyone else wants for that matter)?
“Of course you attacked D’Andre first. ”
Great. Then you should have no trouble providing this evidence, thanks to three facts:
1)You have been following the discussion
2)Gold has a public profile
3)I have a public profile.
“He made a comment directed at someone other than you. The you and Gold jumped in, uninvited, and demanded (that’s demanded) that D’Andre provide some kind of evidence to prove an opinion. ”
Since you’ve been following the conversation, you will realise that Disqus is a public platform and we’re commenting on a public article and it’s the internet. It works like a public space so we’re invited, by default.
“Brilliant tactic…when used against people who share your limited intellectual capacity. ”
I’m still waiting for you to show me where we attacked D’Andre first. You surely don’t think that asking for evidence is the same as attacking?
“Here is your problem – you and Gold have no standing. Do you know what that means? ”
Yes, I do know what it means. I’m not trying to sue D’Andre. If Gold is, I’m not aware of it…and Gold? In the [unlikely] event that you are trying to sue D’Andre…KNOCK IT OFF….I don’t approve of SLAAP lawsuits.
“You can write whatever you want, and you can demand whatever you want, but you still lack standing. ”
Please can you explain what D’Andre’s obligation to provide whatever support D’Andre has for the claims that D’Andre made (D’Andre made the claims
Logical fallacy 2: Shifting the burden of proof. Admittedly, by proxy, but still…
“D’Andre recognized that and skillfully jerked you around – but you are too dense to recognize what was happening.”
Evidence that this is the case rather than us skillfully jerking D’Andre around back?
“Evidence that you and Gold are a tag team? Observation. You post together, upvote together and generally say the same stuff – totally obvious. ”
Hmm…let’s look:
Hyland’s recall of teething tablets, The harm of alternative medicine, Homeopathy and its alternative principles. I don’t see much upvoting or posting together exchanges there.
“Look at Gold’s post to me – same stuff as your post. ”
If I googled some trivial obscure fact…like…oh, I don’t know…. how much a giraffe’s heart weighs…there would be a lot of people saying the same answer:
Does this:
a)prove that several people are working as a tag team?
or
b)they’re using the same scales
or
c)Neither. That’s just how facts work.
“You folks need to be more original.”
Can you explain what the originality or lackthereof has to do with the truth or falsity of a claim?
“By the way, your little school story is bizarre, unless you are a child.”
Link to this little school story. Should be easy, given public profile.
Thanks for proving all my points for me – you are making this too easy.
A. You claim you don’t know what a G-man is – you now have the obligation to prove that.
B. You think D’Andre is legally bound to answer any question you ask – that’s insane.
C. You admit that you and Gold care nothing about veracity – you are merely a tag team trying to jerk around a black man. Are you from South Africa?
D.You admit that you targeted D’Andre rather than responding to the article. The proof of that? Your post was directed at D’Andre NOT the article.
E. You admit you are feeble minded. You said, “So, let’s say that you work in a school somewhere…” Now you deny that you said it. If you need a link to remember what you just said, then you need more help than I can give you. Perhaps Gold can help you remember.
F. Then you make a bizarre comment about sleepy lawsuits.
You do realize that I read your posts for comic relief…and only comic relief.
Hmm… do you realise that your replies abe becoming more and more vitriolic and nonsensical? For someone that’s only reading for the comic relief you appear to be overly defensive of one of the participants in the discussion.
A: Nope. Learn how negative and positive claims work.
B: *sigh* Not legally bound. D’Andre having an obligation to back up D’Andre’s claim is just…how logic works. Otherwise, it just devolves into “Nuh-uh!” “Uh-uh!” and so on.
C: Great, should be easy for you to link to where we did this. Should be easy since we both have public profiles and you’ve been following the conversation.
D: Why do you think I should ask the article to back up D’Andre’s claims? Still waiting for you to show evidence of attacking.
E: Oh, you mean the thing where you said multiple replies to something were stalking so I asked if multiple replies were stalking in another situation. Did you seriously not know the difference between reductio ad absurdum and stories?
F: *Sigh* Not Sleepy lawsuits – SLAPP lawsuits.
Stragetic
Lawsuits
Against
Public
Participation.
Joke’s on you butthead. Read what Gold posted since you refuse to read what D’Andre posted and, apparently, you can’t remember what you posted.
Why are you messing with Cole? He is famous for never having been defeated. He is making you two look like chumps. You go Cole – tear them a new one!
Thanks for the kind words Megan, but these two lightweights aren’t even a proper challenge. I do like that they keep coming back for more. And I like that the twerp Derp is still unable to read a few sentences and realize that D’Andre named names.
Hey, how many time do you think you, D’Andre and I have told the twits to actually go back and read the original post? 50 – 60 times? Probably more.
Catch you later.
If Cole is famous for never being defeated, how on earth could we be messing with him? You do understand that disagreement is not messing, harrassment or attacking, right?
Just show me where there was evidence for anyone being paid trolls presented by D’Andre. Naming them is not sufficent.
You mean I can get paid for posting? wow!
Who knows? I keep asking for evidence but….?
Nope. Not me.
You see why I wanted to make that point though? 😉
Absolutely. Just playing along. 🙂
Yeah. Derp Turtle is on Disqus like clockwork. She is an obvious paid commentator and her stupid memes appeal to emotion.
She’s not a rational person…she’s not even a person. She’s a turtle!!
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1acd087ef64766a766cc604cb85dfacbb9bc6bef4e61b04010e0867b546b54a3.png
Then you should have no trouble providing that evidence I’m a paid commentator. It should be easy given a)public profile and b)obvious.
Ferble’s commenting and upvoting you – does that make you two a tag team? I’d say no. I just want your take on it though.
Ah… do you realise that you’re describing religious teaching processes?
Hmm…do you understand that my comment was in response to Derp?
Realization? Are you attempting to delve into the age-old question of what separates man from waterfowl? Now don’t try to duck that question. And don’t make me continue to goose you in an effort to ascertain your place of origin. Is Ice Hockey your national sport?
Yes. Do I care? No.
Do you realise that you’re making these claims in a public forum?
If you want a private conversation you’ve picked the wrong platform. Right tool for the task and all that…
See, I merely pointed out another fact yet you take umbrage with that. That would seem to me to be prima facie evidence that you have difficulty in accepting simple, factual statements.
What’s all this then…and tell me from whence you hail.
If it’s a simple, factual statement, you should be able to prove it.
Ah… no. You asked a question. Statements and questions are very different, yet quite simple, grammatical constructs. I’m wanting to say that I’m surprised you are having trouble with this sort of thing, but given your posting history, I’m not.
Actually, you are the one claiming they are simple, factual statements. You are also the one that appears to be having trouble demonstrating that they are simple or factual.
The longer you go not responding to claims that challenge your statements the sooner people will come to the conclusion that your statements may not be as factual as you claim.
Ohhh…. Stalkery.
You have an odd fixation on where people are from. You are aware that that makes you look seriously dodgy, right?
Why do you want to know? And what bearing does it have on the conversation?
Ah… I responded to a question, not a statement of fact.
You don’t even grasp the difference do you?
What difference does it make? Also, I live in public online and hide very little about myself. This information is literally one click away for you.
There’s no need to goose anyone, D’Andre. Simply explain how it affects the truth or falsity of the claims that are made and once you’ve provided a good explanation and reason why it matters, I’ll be a little more specific.
Hi, D’Andre. Have you got evidence for three people being paid trolls yet?
Managed to find evidence for the claim of paid trolls yet?
Find it? There’s no need to find anything…it’s been here all the time, and this morning I posted it.
Wonderful News! It should be easy for you tolink to where you evidenced the claim of three paid trolls then, bearing in mind that allegations do not constitute evidence?
Here we go again. Previously you wanted the names even though I told you the names are in the post related to your FIRST post – the post you replied to has the names. For three days you and Gold harassed and stalked me demanding info you already had. You stalked me to the point where I was having problems with anxiety. I finally had to stop. Then Megan told you where the names are and you said she was lying. Then Cole jumped in and told you where the names are and you called him a liar. Finally Gold actually linked to the post to show that no names were listed – although the names were in plain view. This proves you guys can’t read or you are playing a game.
You and Gold have an agenda, and that agenda is to just cause stress. Now YOU say you never wanted the names (lie) and that you want something else. What will be next? Will you be asking me for the meaning of life?
For three days three people showed you the names and for three days you called us liars. I’m not going to expose myself to that awful stress again. The names are there and you denied it. The evidence is there in another post and you are denying that as well.
Again, I showed you the names and you denied they were in the post and you will do the same this time – no doubt about that. So if you want the evidence then read my posts, and this time get someone other than Gold to help you read them.
It was always about paid troll evidence which you would know had you read the post.
Very sad. For three days you and Gold demanded that I give you the NAMES!!! And for three days you had the names right in front of you. NOW you pivot (and lie) and say you never asked me about the names.
YOU attacked me about the names when you had them all the time. I think you are just malicious. No one can be that stupid.
Now you do have the evidence of the payments, but I am not going to play this game with you. I give you the post and then you say the info isn’t there JUST like you did with the names. Fool me once…
I don’t think you are too lazy to read my posts – you are just playing the same game that you did with the names.
If you aren’t playing another game, and if you are not lazy, then take 10 minutes and read my posts.
Have you managed to link to where you provided evidence of payment?
I was always after evidence for two claims:
1)Names. Which, yes, you have provided and I admitted this two days ago.
2)Evidence of paid trolls. Which is what I’m still waiting for. Allegations are not evidence. It’s your responsibility to find the evidence for your claims that you made, not mine to go hunting for it.
You wouldn’t have to “hunt” for anything if you had even the most rudimentary reading comprehension skills. Many days ago you had all the info available to you yet you weren’t intelligent enough to read it. So for three days you shouted that you demand a link to posts you already saw – totally stupid and offensive.
Now you talk of responsibility. I have no responsibility to give a stupid person the same info 20 or 30 times. Megan and Cole read my posts on day 1 and had no difficulty reading and understanding them. This is a problem with you and it’s 50/50 -are you a gamer or stupid. Which is it?
You do understand the difference between allegation and evidence, right?
I appreciate you have provided names. That’s not the point though.
“You do understand the difference between allegation and evidence, right?” Boring…you’re repeating yourself. How would you know – since you chose to not read my posts.
The point is you refused to read my posts, choosing instead to attack me. And now you want to start that process again.
“”You do understand the difference between allegation and evidence, right?” Boring…you’re repeating yourself. How would you know – since you chose to not read my posts.”
Actually, the reason I know you haven’t provided evidence for paid trollhood is because I’ve read your posts and found exactly zero with evidence of paid trollhood.
As for repeating myself, I’ll keep asking until you either provide evidence of paid trollhood or retract the claim of paid trollhood.
“The point is you refused to read my posts, choosing instead to attack me. And now you want to start that process again.”
Here’s a link to where I went through all your posts on this topic:
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/yournewswire/whooping_cough_outbreak_in_alabama_spread_by_vaccinated_children/#comment-3339380159
I’ve read your posts. They do not provide evidence of paid trollhood. Now, can you please link to where I have attacked you? It should be easy, given that I have done so…wayback machine will work in the case of editing or deletion.
Of course, I am expecting a pointer to where I (as in not Gold, Mike Stevens, Ken, Megan, or anyone else) attacked (as in not disagreement or criticism and not merely asking for evidence.)
For example, Mike Stevens unfairly made the personal attack about taking meds. Disagreement and asking for evidence do not constitute attacking.
So since I attacked you, kindly point to where I did so…should be easy …right…since all you do is make simple, factual statements?
“Actually, the reason I know you haven’t provided evidence for paid
trollhood is because I’ve read your posts and found exactly zero with
evidence of paid trollhood.”
For three days you said the same thing about the names, and for three days you called me a liar and worse. But you don’t consider that an attack.
Here’s something funny. You attacked me for not giving you the names that you already had, and you didn’t even have the guts to apologize. And now we begin again – you attacking me yet again because you can’t read.
It’s Saturday…do you need a link to prove that too?
“For three days you said the same thing about the names, and for three days you called me a liar and worse. But you don’t consider that an attack.”
Link to where I called you a liar or attacked you in any way.
“Here’s something funny. You attacked me for not giving you the names that you already had, ”
And yet you still don’t seem to be able to link to said attack.
“and you didn’t even have the guts to apologize. And now we begin again – you attacking me yet again because you can’t read.”
Actually, you’re the one that started with an ad hominem poisioning the well so by any reasonable definition, you attacked before I did and you still haven’t been able to point to where I attacked you.
“It’s Saturday…do you need a link to prove that too?”
Nope. Have you got a link to where I attacked you? Should be easy, given the three times,at least.
Do you actually understand what an attack is?
By the way, if you look through those posts that I did in the mega post…you’ll see exactly where you provided names and where I admitted.
Is your real name Link? You sure are obsessed with links. Probably because you can’t remember what you wrote or read.
Admitting that the names were where I said they were isn’t the same as an apology. And as the aggrieved party I think I know what an attack is.
You are the one who decided to make the claim that there were paid trolls here – that is not an aggrieved party.
Why can’t you link to where I attacked you?
Linking is easy – getting you to understand the info is impossible. I can’t help you with your problem – all the links in the world aren’t enough to fix you.
It’s strange how difficult it seems to be for you to prove that I attacked you.
I did prove it – three times in fact. So did Cole and Megan. You need to wait three days and then you will realize that once again you are acting doltish.
No, you’re just asserting that you proved it;
The sun rises in the east…oh no that’s just another assertion on my part.
Hmmm…on one side, we have:
The scientific consensus that the sun rises in the east
On the other we have…
D’Andre’s word of three paid trolls.
The scales don’t balance. Try again.
You are such a prevaricator. We have a consensus that the evidence is available to all who know how to navigate a forum (Cole and Megan) and a consensus that the evidence is indisputable.
Do you really need for me to post the evidence again or are you playing another game? If you really do need it again then do what I asked you to do and the info shall be yours.
Claims stand or fall as a function as a merit of the evidence behind them and not how many people agree.
Heaven help you. You just got done saying that the proof the sun rises in the east is due to a consensus. Now you say that isn’t true. Or did you forget what you said? Or do you not know what a consensus is?
Do what I asked you to do. It’s now or never.
Of course I know what a consensus is.
A scientific consensus is not quite the same thing as a normal consensus – you know, much like a theory in science means something different to a theory in colloquial terms?
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And the evidence of the sun rising in the east isn’t merely that of a consensus or even a scientific consensus…you can go out with a compass.
On the other hand, it’s a bit more tricky to establish evidence of that paid troll claim.
Hey Cole, dig it – he flunked your logic course and it looks like he flunked science too. How do you think he did in reading comprehension?
Logic does not belong to anyone – that how it works.
And yes, scientific consensus =/= consensus. Not a hard concept.
You proved my point about you. And now I realize that I really can’t help you understand the evidence. I didn’t say Cole’s “logic,” I said Cole’s logic course. See, you have no reading comprehension ability. If you understood English a little better you would have recognized your error immediately.
I don’t know what more I can do with you. It took you three days to grasp a single sentence, you don’t understand logic, you don’t understand science, you are in denial about so many things, and you are obsessed with links. And on top of that you won’t do what I asked you to do.
What do you think Cole, should we make Twerp take a time out? I think so – let him stew for a bit on his transgressions.
Yes, let’s let him stew.
You still seem to be under the impression that it’s my job to disprove your claim? Go on, make me take a time out. Good luck!
Since you know what an attack is, why can’t you link to my attack? Should be easy.
I don’t have the time. It takes you three days to understand info after you receive it – by that time I’ll be on my flight out of here.
Well…
1)You have an obligation to provide evidence for your claim
2)That’s the beauty of asynchronous communication.
Well now, again you talk about me being legally or morally bound to provide you with info. I don’t think so. But let’s say I were. Uh oh – I already tried provisioning you and your response was to reject my help and instead attack me with a true fury.
By the way Clarence Darrow, were I in any way obligated it would be to the people I cited (whose names you can’t find) not to you. Don’t you know how a public forum works? Do I have to instruct you about every little thing? Should I send my little sister over to your mom’s house to teach you how to read a simple post?
“Well now, again you talk about me being legally or morally bound to provide you with info.”
Not to provide me in particular with info, no. However, you do have a responsibility and an obligation to provide whatever support you have for claims that you made. This is logic 101.
“I don’t think so.”
Well, umm…it’s your claim that you made yourself Who else would have that responsibility? Your sister? My brother? Your mother? My mother?
“But let’s say I were. ”
You do have an obligation to support your claims, yes, since you are the one that made them.
“Uh oh – I already tried provisioning you and your response was to reject my help and instead attack me with a true fury.”
And yet you still can’t point to where I attacked you.
“By the way Clarence Darrow, were I in any way obligated it would be to the people I cited (whose names you can’t find) not to you.”
Actually, it’s not about who you’re obligated to. It’s about you supporting your claims that you made yourself…why you think this should be the responsibility of or a debt to someone other than you is beyond me. You’re the one that made the claim – your responsibility to support it. Why do you think that you supporting your claim that you made yourself constitutes an obligation to me, exactly?
“Don’t you know how a public forum works?”
Obviously, I do. I’ve explained that to Cole and Megan.
“Do I have to instruct you about every little thing? Should I send my little sister over to your mom’s house to teach you how to read a simple post?”
And you still can’t show where I attacked you.
The names I named read the evidence, Megan and Cole had no problem reading the evidence and probably half the board read the evidence. It’s just you and Gold that can’t read. That sure sounds like your problem. I spoon fed you last time and all I got in return was a savage attack from you. A relentless attack which you cannot prove didn’t occur. Go ahead provide me with a link…you can’t and I can prove it.
And you still can’t provide evidence of this savage or relentless attack.
And why do you think it is my responsibility to disprove the claims that you made?
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
I know, that’s how I know. You made a wild claim that you did not attack me, so now it’s your responsibility to back up that claim with a link or two.
I asked you for evidence of where I attacked you, actually. That’s not quite the same thing as saying I didn’t attack you.
Huh? You make no sense. I have evidence of your wild claim that you did not attack me (Cole and Megan will back me up on this) so now the obligation is on you to prove you didn’t. That’s how it works amigo.
Never mind who backs you up on it, just provide evidence.
But here:
https://disqus.com/by/disqus_tlEIT18b4g/
Silly rabbit – you are the denier. I’m still waiting for your proof.
Nope.
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/yournewswire/whooping_cough_outbreak_in_alabama_spread_by_vaccinated_children/#comment-3339574532
https://disqus.com/by/disqus_tlEIT18b4g/
You claimed I didn’t provide the names.
You now claim you didn’t attack me.
I’m seeing a pattern here.
Yes, your false claims?
I did not claim I didn’t attack you. I asked for evidence.
My false claim that I named names? You can’t be serious. Did you forget AGAIN!!!???
Do you know the difference between you and a Parrot? I didn’t think so.
No, your false claims of providing evidence.
…just like you attacked me for falsely claiming I provided names. Oh wait, I did provide names just like provided evidence.
You truly are the boy who cried wolf. You lie and deny for days about me providing the names, but this time we should believe you are telling the truth. Are you reading this Megan and Cole? Do you believe the hubris of this guy?
I agree you’ve provided names.
Now, get on with evidence of paid trollhood and evidence of me attacking you.
Three people provided you with evidence of the names for three days. This is NO different. How long will it take this time? 10 days maybe? You have lost all credibility. Confess your sins and do what I asked you to do then we can start with the 10 days you need to comprehend a simple paragraph, a paragraph you already read but forgot…just like the names.
D’Andre, your responsibility to provide evidence for your claims has little to do with my comprehension or lack thereof.
No, no mon frere, your lack of comprehension has everything to do with it. Have you forgotten (probably) that for three days three people tried to help you and Gold, and yet for three days you two denied the existence of the info and, instead of reading/comprehending the posts, you shouted for even more “links.”
Had you been able to comprehend the all the posts (in their entirety) from the beginning then you would have ALL your answers. But nooooo…you want me/us to play the same game and repeat the info ad nauseam.
Why is it that Megan, Cole and countless others have no difficulty with the info? It’s only you, Gold and some other guy that can’t seem to get on the knowledge train.
Ponder this – just because you can’t read (or can’t understand) something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You “read” the “names” post 50 times and still couldn’t understand ONE simple sentence. You proved that you can’t read, and you proved you choose to blame the writer rather than accept responsibility.
I admitted that the names existed as soon as someone pointed it out.
Now, where is that evidence of paid trolhood or attack?
The one with comprehension problems is you, and not derpturtle, d’andre.
Need I remind you of your Hiroshima misinterpretation?
Now from what I have seen, derpturtle wanted you to provide evidence to support your claims that she was both a shill (someone posting comments on behest of (presumably) a pharma company), and also that she was paid to do so.
You accused her of being a “paid shill”, remember?
That was what she wanted, not just the names of those you accused of being paid shills, but she wanted you to provide the proof she is a paid shill.
Do you understand?
If so, please do as requested, and provide evidence for your claim.
I also stated to link to where names were provided and where the evidence was.
Also, evidence that I am trolling.
@stefangriswalter:disqus, I trust that you understand the word ‘and’.
How many times do I have to quote your Hiroshima statement? YOU wrote it, not me. So why blame me for what you wrote? You offended many people with your horrific statement and you should apologize.
You accused her of being a paid shill and so did several other people, not me. You are just like the other two – make stuff up and lie about everything else. If you think I called anyone, that’s anyone, a paid shill then give me the link since you are so obsessed with links.
And what’s with you confusion about “pharma?” We aren’t even discussing that. You are so stupid you are commenting to the wrong person on the wrong thread.
Christ, if you even had half a clue you’d be on the correct thread and realize I never called ANYONE a paid shill, NOT EVER. Prove it. You can’t because you lie just like the other two.
Twerp has all the info, he/she just needs three days for it to sink in. She/he just needs to read the posts 20 or 30 times…just like with the names post.
“How many times do I have to quote your Hiroshima statement? YOU wrote it, not me. So why blame me for what you wrote? You offended many people with your horrific statement and you should apologize.”
Here is my Hiroshima statement below.
For those without any capacity for english language comprehension and a mental age of less than 5, I will explain what it means, as simply as I can.
One poster (“Whollyfullyexpected) claimed that “splitting the atom” was such a great acheivement for mankind that it was far better than the development of vaccines.
I disagreed, and pointed out that one single vaccine, Measles vaccine, had saved around 17 million lives since 2000.
I then compared this to the “splitting the atom” claim that whollyfullyexpected made, and I think you will agree, that a nuclear holocaust like Hiroshima didn’t save anyone’s life, but instead cost hundreds of thousands of people their lives and was a vile abomination.
So to drive this point home, I suggested that the poster Whollyfullyexpected should try their luck explaining to a Hiroshima survivor why they regarded splitting the atom to be such a great advance for the health of mankind.
It’s called sarcasm, D’Andre. My meaning is quite clear.
Now, you can apologise to me if you like, or not, I don’t care much one way or the other, but please stop claiming that I somehow approve of the Hiroshima bombing, will you, because anyone with a functioning brain can see after reading my comment that I do no such thing.
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Hilarious, you are almost as funny as Twerp. You say, “Here is my Hiroshima statement below.” And then you present a wholly different statement from your original. Is that indicative of your less than 5 mental age? In your “revised” statement you talk about the atom being such a great advance for the health of mankind. That comment did not appear in whatever statement you now claim to be the original. And since most everything in the universe is comprised of atoms then we wouldn’t even be here without atoms. Is that another age of 5 moment for you?
Let’s play a game – what logical fallacy is it when you misstate something intentionally and then go on to prove it to be true or false?
Here’s what you originally said, “…ask any survivors of Hiroshima just how great it was that someone figured out how to split the atom.” Sure sounds to me like you love the bomb.
Game, set, match – you shouldn’t try to mess with the big dogs.
“Here’s what you originally said, “…ask any survivors of Hiroshima just
how great it was that someone figured out how to split the atom.” Sure
sounds to me like you love the bomb.”
I see that my explanation, dumbed down for your consumption, has still been too hard for you to understand.
I know what I posted, I put up the original screenshots for you, twice. You don’t have to remind me.
I never “revised” my statement, I merely simplified and paraphrased it in the forlorn hope that you’d finally grasp what it meant. I was to be disappointed all over again.
To whit, I never said Hiroshima was great, you utter idiot.
I told whollyfullyexpected, who thinks splitting the atom was a great boon to mankind, to go and ask the Hiroshima survivors if they agreed with that assesment of hers.
I cannot have made it plainer that I disagreed with her (whollyfullyexpected is female) that splitting the atom was “great”.
You have on several occasions now completely misread or misinterpreted what other commenters have posted. Yet at the same time you have boasted of your own “brilliance”.
Not only have you some basic level of comprehension failure, you also have malignant Dunning Kruger syndrome.
Now you change your story yet again.
You said, “Here is my Hiroshima statement below.” But you didn’t provide that, nooooooo, you changed it in hopes you could get a away with your disgusting position that Hiroshima deserved to be nuked and that the survivors were happy about. What a warmonger you are. I guess you like it when we drone a school bus in Afghanistan.
And here we go with yet another tactic. Yesterday you learned what DKS is and now you are obsessed with applying that to any who are defeating you (that’s pretty much everyone…except for you sister and she’s getting close).
I seldom correct anyone on this board when it comes to matters of grammar – we all type fast so spelling and punctuation errors are bound to occur. But in your case I must make an exception. You have been acting like a real a-hole as you attack me with your DKS comment and your 5 year old aspersion, not to mention all the comments about comprehension. But now you’ve stepped in it. As every high school graduate knows the correct thing to say is “To wit” not “To whit.” Whit should be used as follows – you don’t have a whit of a brain…or “I don’t give a whit what you morons have to say.”
You failed 10th grade English – time for you to slither back into your hole (or maybe you think that should be whole – LOL).
“Now you change your story yet again.”
My explanation of what my comment meant is very consistent. It has only varied because I have repeatedly tried to simplify it to help you understand what it meant, since you have clearly struggled to interpret what was a very easily and clearly understood comment.
“You said, “Here is my Hiroshima statement below.” But you didn’t
provide that, nooooooo, you changed it in hopes you could get a away
with your disgusting position that Hiroshima deserved to be nuked and
that the survivors were happy about.”
I did say “Here is my Hiroshima statement below”. I then posted the screenshot of the comment (the second time I have done so now). I will post i below for you yet again… Maybe this time you will try and read it?
If you had any idea of what whollyfullyexpected and I were discussing, you’d realise that it was she who claimed, and I quote:“splitting the atom blows away anything vaccines have achieved”, and not me. So, her claim that splitting the atom was wonderful, NOT MINE. Please re-read the comment, and the thread leading up to it, and appreciate that you have completely got hold of the wrong end of the stick. For example, you have now made a comment about drone attacks on school buses in Afghanistan. Can I now say you support that?
” Yesterday you learned what DKS is”
D’Andre, I have been pointing out people’s predisposition to Dunning Kruger syndrome for many years. Perhaps you should look at my previous posts (unlike you, I have nothing to hide, and my Disqus profile is not private). If you had not boasted about your own “brilliance” I would not have pointed out that you suffer from DK syndrome.
Finally, thanks for pointing out my use of “whit” instead of “wit” was wrong. I see you are a grammar naz1. But unlike you, if somebody points out a mistake I might have made I am always delighted – that is how reasonable people who wish to learn and wish to be accurate tend to behave.
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Aha – you waited a few days but you finally pulled out the n@zi card. I was waiting for that – you guys are all the same.
Mike Stevens is using a pseudonym because his real name is Mike Dunning.
Totally. These people are morons.
They don’t even read the links, they just deny everything.
Damn straight. Three days of playing the fool and they still couldn’t read a simple sentence. They must think I have a magic wand that can make them intelligent.
You have not seen it all.
If you start exposing stuff, and are committed, they send out the abusive psycho-bullies to corner you.
Industry-funded morons they are.
I exposed Twerp and Goldilocks as not being intelligent enough to understand one simple sentence after three days of trying. That exposure has them apoplectic.
They do need reinforcements, reinforcements that can read. I say to bring them on. By the way, I was totally joking about being anxious and upset. Poseurs like these are no challenge.
Hey D’Andre, take it easy on Dorp and Mikey – I think they are getting near the breaking point.
I read the post about Hiroshima victims loving the bomb – disgraceful.
Derp turtle wants evidence for your claim she is a paid shill, that’s all.
It should be simple for you to provide that evidence.
I mean, you wouldn’t have made the accusation without it, would you?
It wants more than that! Don’t let it around your pets.
Mike “UFO” Stevens thinks he is an alien-abductee. He can read about that here?
Thanks for your support. But who is “she?” Are you getting into the “Derp zone?”
Simple? Yes. For Derp to understand it….no. For 3 days 3 people tried to tell him he already had info that he requested, and for 3 days he called us liars and said the info didn’t exist. How would you respond to a person that called you a liar for 3 days and who is seemingly incapable of reading a single, simple sentence?
Don’t tell Derp this, but if he takes the time to actually read the thread (which he refused to do last time) then he would have all his answers. Derp is quite rude. The info he wanted was staring him in the face and rather than read the sentence he kept screaming (like a little girl) that he wanted the same info over and over again. Three people gave him the same info for three days and for three days he denied the info existed! Do you expect me to keep playing this game?
Especially given that when challenged, D’Andre claimed to have made a simple, factual statement.
Don’t take it personally, they do it to everyone. Don’t get stressed-out.
They are obvious paid shills. Just realize that they are being intentionally duplicitous and call them out.
There are people here who appreciate your comments.
Link to where I denied they were in the post, rather than pointed out that allegations aren’t evidence.
If I say the moon is made of green cheese, then I need to provide the proof that it is, not to demand that you provide evidence that it is not.
Your claim, …your burden of proof.
Oh come on. That’s an easy one: It’s made of Emmentaler.
This can be confirmed by examining the craters with a telescope, they are obviously the result of propionibacterium freudenreichii.
As far as most people are concerned, you can say whatever you want without any need for proof. I know I don’t care. Actually, it could be considered hubris on your part to think that people really care whether or not you provide proof about anything you say.
But let’s say I do care. Why don’t we take a look at some of your recent statements. “And you can ask any survivors of Hiroshima just how great it was that someone figured out how to split the atom. I guess you and I just have different priorities, and different values when it comes to human life.”
You made a statement that the Hiroshima survivors would think that learning how to split the atom was a great thing. I don’t think you can prove that statement to be true. Go ahead and try – the burden is on you. And how would you know if the target of your wrath doesn’t value human life? That’s a bold statement without any evidenciary support from you. Once again, you bear the burden of proof.
The proverbial ball is in your court. Good luck with that.
“You made a statement that the Hiroshima survivors would think that learning how to split the atom was a great thing.”
No… that was a sarcastic comment on Wholly’s ridiculous clainm that was a great acheivement for mankind.
I told her to ask the Hiroshima survivors whether they thought splitting the atom was a great achievement [greater than development of vaccines].
Of course it wasn’t, and I hope that anyone asking a Hiroshima survivor that would get a swift kick in the genitals for their temerity in asking it.
So NOW you claim you were just being sarcastic. Too late amigo, that toilet paper is off the roll. And now the burden of proof is on you to prove that the good folks (survivors) of Hiroshima are four-square behind the idea of atomic weapons and are thrilled to have been incinerated.
Since you are having fun trying (and failing) to utilize bogus rhetorical techniques, let me return the favor. You say, “…splitting the atom was a great achievement [greater than development of vaccines].” Before we continue with your obsession with my statements, you must prove that you did not write the above words. You can’t, you did write them – your words are there for all to see.
Without proof that you did not write the above words (in quotes), I will have to assume that you are totally out of toilet paper.
P.S. You are not alone in marveling at my brilliance.
Time for your meds I think.
Now you make a claim that I should take meds. Are you talking about Tylenol? Nope. We know what you are talking about. You are making a claim without proof so you need to follow your own demand – “Your claim, …your burden of proof.”
There is one other thing. You are in direct violation of the policies of this board. How low can you sink?
You have made several claims there, D’andre.
Let’s see the proof for them.
Very funny. I quoted you – that’s not making a claim. As for any other statements of fact that I’ve made, you can find corroboration throughout my posts. If you can’t remember my true statements then you might want to take notes.
And now it is your turn to provide proof for your claim that the survivors of Hiroshima are joyous about being nuked.
You certainly did make claims.
The last one was that I was “in direct violation of the policies of this board.”
Let’s see the proof of your claims please.
And, as you finally seem to understand, the appropriate maxim is “Your claim, your burden of proof”.
Good thing you aren’t a solicitor – ignorance of the law is no excuse. The burden is on you to know the rules and not violated them…which you do constantly.
So where’s your proof about the joyous Hiroshima victims?
Ahhh.. No. It’s a good thing you’re not a solicitor. Ignorance of the law is rarely and excuse, but can be an explanation and will add to the judgement made.
In this scenario it would still be up to the person making the claim that a law was breached to establish that the law in question is in fact an actual law.
So the burden is actually on you to provide the part of the usage policy that has been broken.
The more you respond the more I get the impression that burden of proof is not something you even vaguely grasp. You really come across as quite ignorant on this topic.
So, you claimed I was in violation of the policies of this board, but admit you cannot tell me how, or prove it.
You are full of it.
As for Hiroshima, I posted a screenshot of my comment.
I suggest you come up from the basement and ask your mother to tell you what it means, since you are unable to understand.
Mike Stevens is a white supremacists, see here.
He can’t even deny it!
Why isn’t there a “not innocent” verdict? That’s why it’s your job.
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Here is a screenshot of my post in the thread.
If you can point out where I am saying it was great that the people of Hiroshima were incinerated, be sure to let us know.
Idiot.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f702a47a28f2743d139474da678725bd13e666d54da7335e540b204e7e996d6b.jpg
Still talking about your crazy UFO conspiracies Mike?
Ah… no. You made a statement. You still need to demonstrate it is a fact.
For example, me saying “The sky is a wonderful shade of puce this morning.” is a not fact just by virtue of me saying it. Anyone claiming “Huh? Pics or it didn’t happen!” (challenging the claim of the statement) would be perfectly reasonable in doing so.
The unreasonable position would be me responding with “Whut? Prove it wasn’t puce!”
In this example, I’m playing the role of the unreasonable one. Also in this example I am portraying your argument.
A complete and total logical fallacy. You are equating a true statement with a false statement.
Would you be able to “prove” the existence of gravity were you not permitted to utilize observation? I think not.
No, I’m not.
Given you couldn’t see such a simple point you’re unlikely to understand it.
For other readers, the point being made is that any statement needs to be demonstrated as fact or fiction if challenged. For most things, like the existence of gravity, things can be taken as mutually understood and a conversation flows easily. But that doesn’t mean any statement isn’t challengeable. Some of the best conversations are those where the statements being made are challenged. This is how we learn things.
Gravity is accepted as true solely by observation. So you are saying that my statement shouldn’t be taken with the same gravity as gravity? My statement is as true as gravity If you think not then supply facts and non-observational proof for the existence of gravity.
As far as things being mutually understood, flat Earthers like Fingal and Ben Bache reject the existence of gravity.
Soooo….we know precisely why a magnet attracts iron, but why does mass attract mass on a scale smaller than Einstein’s space-bending General Theory? What gives your mass weight on the Earth?
There are many here that disagree with you.
So prove it.
And many don’t believe in gravity…but they are wrong as well. You can only “prove” the existence of gravity via observation, yet you know it to be true. So why then do not the same observational rules apply to me? Those rules must apply to me therefore my statement, yea all my statements, are as true as gravity.
So address the original claim; “It’s for certain all three of you are paid trolls.”
Please present your evidence to show this to be a true statement.
You and Derp are getting your identities confused. And you are “both” confused about the original statement to which you take exception.
I’m not at all confused about the original statement. I have yet to see evidence for it.
*drops pen*
There, I’ve demonstrated gravity. Can you demonstrate your statement is true?
Oops, you’re not a scientist, are you? You have merely observed that the pen drops you have not proved WHY it drops. You saw mass attract mass. Hmm…a helium balloon has mass yet it floats…hmm…
Sure, I can demonstrate my statement is true by simple observation.
Hey, both you and Gold are from the UK…and you are both asking the same questions…does sock puppet sound possible.
“You saw mass attract mass.”
Yeh, there’s a word for that phenomenon. Gravity Yeah, that’s to do with the relative density of air and helium. A cork floats in water and a helium balloon floats in air. So?
Specific gravity. I grow weary of educating you.
Specific gravity is a specific example of what force?
A)Pressure
B)Friction
C)Gravity
D)Something else.
Can you explain how whether Gold and I are the same person affects the truth or falsity of the claim? And you do understand the UK =/= Top Saltney….right?
Prove it.
You and Gold are getting your identities confused. Try harder.
Evidence for this statement?
Observation and experimentation are pretty good ways of learning about physical phenomena. So far, we’ve learned a hell of a lot about the force named gravity. It has been established with certainty that there exists an attractive force between massive objects which we have given the name “gravity.” That attractive force has been observed, measured, experimentally demonstrated, predicted and checked. I don’t know how else you expect somebody to demonstrate that gravity exists other than by observing it and the way it behaves.
Well there you go – you admit to that which you don’t know. Hmm…so it’s a force between massive objects…so a pencil falling to Earth would be called a massive object? Interesting.
Yes. By “massive,” I’m referring to all particles which possess the property of mass.
Sure…when Einstein spoke of massive objects in space he was referring to particles.
What? All objects with mass are affected by gravity, including pulsar, pencils, and protons. There’s no size limit where “gravity kicks in yo!”
What indeed. Photons are massless yet they too are affected by gravity. I know why – do you? Now don’t look it up – be honest – you don’t know how or why.
The most current theory I know is that massive objects bend space, and that photons traveling through that space follow that curvature even though they’re unable to bend it themselves.
The short answer is that a feature of the massless photon is acceleration. Einstein’s Theory of GR states that space-time is warped with respect to very massive objects and it is twisted by rotation as well – but something without mass and without acceleration would not be affected.
You can take “very” out of “very massive.” Pencils and protons warp space-time, too.
Really? That would surprise Einstein. You can’t observe (and sure as hell can’t prove) that anything but very massive objects warp spacetime.
We do not have a teacher-student relationship. Make an attempt to understand the Theory of General Relativity and then get back to me.
Are you familiar with the hypothesis that subatomic particles called gravitons may well exist?
The warping of space-time is theorized to be the mechanism by which gravity acts. Gravitational attraction has been observed and measured between manmade objects. There is no reason to suspect that there is a lower boundary to gravitational attraction, and none has been proposed or supported by observation. The observation of tidal forces, for instance, depends on and can be predicted by the gravitational attraction of small parts of celestial bodies. If planets and moons were point masses, there would be no tidal forces. There are tidal forces, however, and they are handily calculated by treating each mass-bearing particle as an independent attractor.
It’s cute how you jump between Newton and Einstein.
Relativistic effects are negligible at the scales I’m thinking about, so I’m more interested in how spacetime warping explains the gravitational effects we see in everyday life. I’m well aware that the law of universal gravitation doesn’t work well near the speed of light!
Fixed that for you.
Your answer wasn’t sitting right with me so I double checked your claim. Perhaps you should have done so too.
I get that you’re thinking of F = ma but that’s not the actual equation. It’s actually F=dp/dt where p is momentum.
F = dp/dt = d(mv)/dt = m(dv/dt) = ma
From the F = ma point of view if m = 0 then F = 0 regardless of the value of a. Taking that out to the next level, light pressure isn’t a thing and solar sails wouldn’t work. Observation tells us they do.
Like most things in science; I think you’ll find it’s a little more complicated that that.
By “massive” he means my cock.
Also, if I challenged you to provide evidence of gravity, you would simply drop a pen or something, right?
That’s a really strange condition. I don’t think I could prove that a hamburger exists if the rule was that nobody was allowed to taste, touch, smell, or look at the hamburger or anything around it.
Interesting. So you can only explain the existence of a hamburger via observation? You couldn’t take a steer into a lab, slaughter it, grind the meat and then make a hamburger?
By the way, tasting and touching a hamburger doesn’t explain how the hamburger came to be.
So what is the origin of gravity? How did it come to be? All you or we can do is observe that it exists.
If I took a steer into a lab and made it into a hamburger, I’d still have to observe the product before I could state that it was a hamburger.
Humans invented hamburgers, but we did not invent gravity. It already existed before we did, and we’ve used observation and experimentation to learn about it. We don’t have perfect knowledge, no. Just about anything in science can be reduced to unsolved mysteries if you keep asking “Why?” to every answer.
That’s silly. You want me to believe that the ONLY way you can explain the origin of a hamburger is by looking at it? You can’t describe how it came to be? You can’t created a hamburger in the lab? Wow, that’s interesting.
The laws of thermodynamics are proven and observation isn’t essential in providing the proof. You need to prove the existence of gravity by some other means than observation – you can’t. Therefore, there is no law of gravity.
Well, can you prove one of the laws of thermodynamics to me, then?
They are called laws for a reason. You need to study more. But instead of learning what scientific laws are you want me to write 10,000 words explaining laws to you. As much as I’d like to edify you I don’t think this board allows 10,000 words.
Again, they are called a laws, not a theory like gravity.
Once you learn what scientific laws are you will feel foolish for asking such a lame question.
Scientific laws aren’t handed down from divine authority—they are developed by observation and experimentation. This includes the laws of thermodynamics. Neither the laws of thermodynamics nor the universal law of gravitation are final and unassailable if they can be observed to be false! Nothing becomes a law or theory in science without being strongly supported by experimentation and observation.
Good grief lad – you don’t even understand the difference between a law and a theory. There is NO universal LAW of gravitation – it’s a theory.
I give up. It’s not my job to teach you, especially when you confuse a theory with a law – that means you never studied physics.
Really? If you think there’s no such thing as the universal law of gravitation, I think it might be your physics education that’s lacking.
I’m not Derp.
That’s true. I meant to refer to the law of universal gravitation and misremembered the name. “Derp” is an expression for mild embarrassment.
There is a Derp on the board.
You can’t even google thing to verify your position when challenged.
Classic Dunning-Kruger.
Didn’t I get rid of you or was that one of your boyfriends? This is definitely the last time I will bother to educate you (unless you say some more really stupid stuff). Here’s your problem – it was clear you knew nothing about science when we started this absurdity and then suddenly, like magic, knowledge appeared. Turns out you’re a copy/paste Google scientist. You really ought to change some words here and there – make it look like you have a clue.
Anyway, it is you who should have Googled one more time. There is no universal law of gravity, dimwit. There is, however, Newton’s law of universal gravitation. You can go to Google and copy/paste why a universal law of gravity and Newton’s law of universal gravitation are not one and the same. You see, moron, that gravity exists and it’s universal is not the same…oh wait, I’m going to let you Google it so you can post some garbage that will make the unwashed masses think you are brilliant.
I really must bid a fond farewell to you as there are other numbskulls out there who need my assistance.
Bye (unless you can come up with more idiotic statements)
Ah! And now your homophobia is showing. You’re actually an awful person, aren’t you?
I’ve never claimed to be a scientist.
Ah! You’re arguing semantics. Got it. I’ll be more concise in the future.
Pfft. You’d do a better job reaching people if you weren’t such an arrogant arse. But yeah, you still fit the description of classic Dunning-Kruger.
Why would you bother responding to idiotic statements? Also, you said this 3 times in one reply. Do you have a word quota you have to meet?
Pro-tip: Anytime people try anything you consider -ism, -phobic, etc or just plain irrelevant – ask them what that has to do with the truth or falsity of the claim. It’s fun watching them squirm to attempt to answer. Though there is a caveat that you have to be prepared for the day that someone actually manages to do so.
I’ll keep that in mind. 🙂
Also, if the actually manage to do so would that not imply that the context is reasonable? i.e. consider it before reflexively calling them out on it.
Yep, that’s the point.
No. It’s not your job to educate Ken, S. It is however, your job, your responsibility and your obligation to back up your claims that you made yourself with whatever evidence you have.
So…name the three paid trolls and provide evidence. Quit stalling.
Hell… Just name them.
Might work for you. Not for me and this is why:
The three paid trolls are:
Kfunk937
Mike Stevens
Shay Simmons
Do I have any evidence for that claim? Nope. But I’ve named three paid trolls and it requires no further effort on my part than that.
It was supposed to be a leading question. 🙂 Get the names then challenge for the evidence for each.
I blocked Ken.S Try it
Meow cats are meow.
And feral cats are an invasive bird killing specie
And just to make it clear, scientific laws cannot be proven to be true. They can only be supported by observations or disproved. The laws of thermodynamics are only called “laws” because they’ve withstood every experimental challenge so far. If you can come up with repeatable results that are inconsistent with the laws of thermodynamics, then you can knock them down.
There is no proof, only observation. You’re wrong when you say that you can prove the laws of thermodynamics.
Good for you – you looked up the concept of falsifiability. Now explain the why of gravity on a small or large scale. Why do massive objects bend spacetime. You can’t.
Why do I need to? The existence of the force of gravity is a fact, regardless of how much we do or don’t understand about it.
You say gravity is more than an observed phenomenon – so now you need to explain the why of gravity. Why do objects with mass bend spacetime? But photons are massless yet they too bend spacetime.
1. When did I say that gravity is more than an observed phenomenon? What more would it be?
2. It is not necessary to understand how or why a thing exists in order to know that it does exist or to be able to reliably predict its behavior.
3. If that’s so, then that just goes to show that there’s a lot I still don’t know.
What is your basic point here? Are you trying to assert that there is no gravitational force or what?
Thanks for admitting you can’t explain “the why.”
Since you somehow believe that my comments are asserting that gravity does not exist, then you have descended into the abyss of insanity. Sorry, I choose to not follow you.
There are a lot of things I don’t know! For instance, I do not know what you are asserting. That is why I asked. I asked you a question. The way you started off this discussion reminded me of flat Earth theorists who have realized that they must deny the existence of gravity, too.
Can you sum up your overall position in a sentence or two?
Way to miss the point dude.
@Glaug:disqus, for reference this started with people asking for D’Andre to provide evidence to a claim they made. That being that there are 3 paid trolls in this comment section. They couldn’t do that.
Ah, fun!
Do you see how easy it is to get the pro-vacs into a feeding frenzie? The pack mentality on view.
More correctly you are making a claim. You’ve provided no evidence for your claim. So it would be irrational to accept it as fact. Right?
If you believe you are irrational then that is your right.
Actually if you read the sentence you’ll see that’s not what I’m saying at all.
You are making a claim. You’ve provided no evidence for your claim. Believing claims devoid of evidence is irrational. QED.
You are as irrational as Twerp and Goldilocks. Three of us spent countless days trying to get those two to actually read the evidence that was staring them in face. And now you want me to start spoon feeding you. How long will it take for you to understand the posts? Two weeks?
No, but unless you present evidence for your position. Then believing it is irrational. Clearly when you made your claim you presented no evidence. So until you do, it’s irrational to take up your position.
Just flailing your arms and whining “it’s obvious” still doesn’t present anything.
Are you a Twerp clone? You sound just like him. You are rude and accusatory just like Twerp. He too said I presented no evidence. Then, after a week of an unbelievable struggle, and after a week of countless posts he finally got it.
What makes you think I want to play that game again with you? Perhaps you need a new pair of reading glasses.
Really there’s nothing rude or accusatory about the idea that it is irrational to accept a claim without evidence.
While I have no ability to speak for this other person. I’d say that prima face the reason for them saying that you presented no evidence is the fact that you presented no evidence.
It’s no game. It’s simply a fact. You made a claim without presenting evidence for said claim.
Rude – of course you are rude – flailing and whining aren’t rude? Since you opened that door… The prima facie (not prima face) case could be made that certain statements should be accepted as true until and unless they are successfully rebutted. Twerp tried to rebut my statement that the names are listed and he failed miserably after 30 or so rebuttal attempts.
He failed then and he will fail again, as will you and the rest of his posse. How could anyone look at the posse’s track record of constant failure and rude attacks and not surmise that this attack is just more of the same?
As was the case with the names, all the evidence is there. That Twerp can’t see it is not surprising as he proved he has a problem reading stuff. Remember, other members of his posse could not read the names either.
You say, “You made a claim without presenting evidence for said claim.” That’s exactly what Twerp and Goldilocks said until I proved them wrong. This attempt is just another game.
You need to find another game to play. You say that I didn’t provide evidence, I show you where to find the evidence and you still say I didn’t provide it – then, after a week of BS, you guys finally admit it was there the entire time. ZZZZZZZZ – getting old.
Your flailing and whining? I just consider it juvenile or obstructionist. Not rude per se.
You would have to make the case that this specific claim that certain people are certainly paid to post here. You would need to present evidence for that.
Not presented with your claim.
Sadly in this case I’m talking specifically about with your claim. So you simply can not prove anything wrong. You can claim evidence to support your position is elsewhere. You can present compelling evidence. However you can’t claim that you presented evidence with the claim that I was talking about.
Oh….not rude…so when I call you a moronic a-hole I can say that my comment was term of endearment. Cool.
You came quite late to this dance Fred. I realize the posse needed reinforcements, but you still must get up to speed. This is a FIFO shop I’m running. Twerp swore I didn’t list the names and then he lied and attacked me for a week. He never apologized and to this day contends he did nothing wrong. What Twerp did do is pivot and swear that he needed more info, info that’s readily available throughout this and other treads. But just like before, Twerp swears the info isn’t available and he continues to attack me and call me a liar.
Perhaps you can explain how Twerp could read the same sentence 30 times and still claim it didn’t contain any significant words. The only explanation I have is no one can be that stupid so he must have been playing a game.
I’ll tell you the same thing I told Twerp – read the freaking posts! If you are playing a game, like Twerp, you won’t bother to read anything because you too have a hidden agenda.
Perhaps you need to re-read what I wrote. Your whining and obstructiveness is not rude per se. That doesn’t excuse any and all behavior.
Well perhaps you should do that since your commentary seems to be about some list of names – which isn’t what I’m talking about.
Try to catch up…will you.
Your posse, on day one, attacked me for NOT naming the names. The names, however, were clearly listed in post. Then the games began – the posse insisted the names did not exist and attacked me for not providing them. After a week the posse gave up on that toy and decided to find something else to play with. So they attacked me for NOT have some other info, which is also clearly available.
It’s the exact same game that was played at the start of this exercise.
My dad’s a Psychiatrist so I am fascinated with the psychopathy that is unfolding before me.
I really have no idea who you’re talking about but since my point is not about naming names per se. It seems like you’re the person who needs to catch up…have you considered reading my posts to you. They are the definitive way to determine what I am asking you. You’ll notice, that at no point do I ask about “names”. This to a more enlightened person would be a big clue that such a thing is not the thrust of what I was talking about.
Well there really is no game I’m playing. Either you provide evidence along with your claim or you don’t. You didn’t. So my point stands. QED.
Sure…you’re not part of the posse…that’s why it took you 20 posts to get around to that little tidbit. Right…and you don’t follow each other around (admitted by most) and you don’t all write the same.
The first game taught me a great lesson – there is nothing that will satisfy you because your goal isn’t knowledge – it’s all about the game.
With the first game, the info was there the whole time. But I won’t play the second game since that info has been there the whole time too. I know you all have the evidence package (the link), but will continue to deny it until you tire of this game.
The only point that stands with you is the one on your head.
Well since “posse” is a poorly defined term I’ll guess that you kind of do whatever mental gymnastics are required to believe that I do. Especially since you think it provides you with an excuse not to provide evidence.
Well since I don’t know who you’re talking about. How could I confirm or deny this.
Again this seems like something you will convince yourself of regardless.
Dude, you made a claim and didn’t provide evidence. If you claim there is evidence for said claim then why wouldn’t you just provide it. Especially if it’s simply one link.
You can’t be serious. But since you are part of Derp’s posse I guess you are. Only the posse has a problem reading the evidence. I don’t, Megan doesn’t, and many others don’t have a problem.
Derp and Gold proved over and over again that they are incapable of reading simple posts – we must assume that the rest of their posse is equally inept.
There is non reason to doubt that I am serious that one needs to present evidence when making a claim if you expect rational people to believe it.
D’Andre presented no evidence with their claim. So there is nothing to read.
Well the problem is that D’Andre made a claim and presented no evidence with it. So what you are saying is there are other people who believe D’Andre based either on evidence D’Andre didn’t present or on no evidence at all. Neither of these two things is relevant to the fact that D’Andre presented no evidence with their claim. Right?
What is amazing is how some people seem to think that accusations and claims can be made without a shred of supportive evidence, and some other gullible people seem to think that is perfectly fine. Utter madness.
Me and Betty think Thor is real. You can’t be serious not believing in Thor. Just last week Dave proved Thor exists. If you were really serious about evaluating my premise about Thor you would go out on the internet and read everything.
I find the “spoon feeding” argument the most amusing. As if you are required to do no work when you present your hypothesis. I find this one a lot from 9/11 Truthers. It’s a second cousin to “Go and watch 900000000000 hrs of video before you talk to me”.
You’d be wrong. D’Andre was viciously attacked by the posse for NOT providing the names of the accused. Over and over again he was called a liar – and over and over again he told the posse where they could find the info. Again the posse attacked and called him a liar. The posse treated D’Andre horribly. To his credit he was much kinder than I would have been. Seeing the injustice being heaped upon D’Andre, Megan and I helped out by telling the posse where they could find the evidence. Then the posse attacked us. After a week of relentless attacks by multiple people they finally confessed that they had the names all along. Apparently that exercise was all a ploy to mess with a black kid. I know D’Andre well and he is a straight shooter – you guys are not.
Clearly you reprobates have embarked on the same course once again. I know you already have all the evidence, you are just playing the same game where you deny and demand – demand that you get info you already have. In a week or so you will admit to having it (just like you did with the names) and then move on with another attack. What’s next? Are you going to want “links” that prove D’Andre is, in fact, D’Andre?
What is it about D’Andre that makes you want to attack him? I could speculate but I shall refrain.
I keep telling you twits that Megan, I, and many others have read all the evidence spread out over a number of posts. We don’t have a problem – it’s only the posse that has a problem. A handful of miscreants claim they can’t read something that hundreds of other people can read. Yeah, I really believe you….not.
…and yet the claim I’m referring to is right up there with no supporting evidence. Claiming that evidence exists some other arbitrary place doesn’t change that a claim was presented without evidence.
Ridiculous. You have less than zero information about what I do or do not have. Not to mention that the claim I’m talking about is clearly sitting right up there without anything supporting the assertion.
No offense but it’s evidence which makes an argument compelling the fact that some other people believe something does not mean it is rational to accept said belief.
What aren’t you understanding? The posse already proved, beyond any doubt, that they would hold the evidence in their hands and lie about having it. So it’s not a surprise that they/you are playing the same game again. Hold the evidence in your hands and deny that it exists.
You can’t keep yelling “fire” when there is no fire and expect anyone to believe you.
Just like the first round of denials from the posse, this second round is no different. All of you have the info – you’re just trying to pick on D’Andre. What is it now – 5 on 1?
It’s always interesting what people choose to consider absolutely perfect information.
What does that have to do with me? Apparently nothing, except that you seem to want to have an elaborate reason for excusing D’Andre for not supporting a particular point.
See, there you go again. You have no substance so you attempt to use technique.
“…D’Andre for not supporting a particular point.” You accused him of that in that past and were wrong. And you’re wrong now. I have the entire package as does Megan…and many others.
Elaborate reason? Is that you being paranoid? And then you resort to another weak rhetorical technique by throwing in “excusing” as if that were a fait accompli. Everything D’Andre said was supported weeks ago – you should have come to the party back then. Now you are just a vulture looking for some scraps.
Enough with the BS coming from the whole posse. Let’s move on to the next game where you dispute the evidence D’Andre has provided.
No, it’s D’Andre who hasn’t provided substance (read: evidence) along with his claim.
Doubtful, but of course you can’t provide a link to to a place where I have posted that comment to him at some past date.
Because that would be evidence – which apparently you hate providing for some reason.
Sure the idea that some random person did something does not excuse D’Andre from not supporting their points when they make them.
Then there should be no problem supporting it now. However I rather expect more of your rhetoric rather than just “Oh here’s the link that proves perfectly that poster X is getting paid to post”
Well when D’Andre provides some I’ll be sure to apply all my critical faculties. Until then I just have to deal with his and your rhetorical nonsense. 🙂
” Let’s move on to the next game where you dispute the evidence D’Andre has provided.”
I’d like to see the evidence that several posters are “paid trolls” (to quote D’Andre).
You seem to think he has provided evidence for this, but nobody seems to be able to find it.
So, seeing as you are apparently aware of this evidence, would you care to share it with everybody?
A week and a couple hundred replies later, still not quite smart enough to block and ignore.
FYI, @disqus_T54YRujxvY:disqus uses the same IP address as @stefangriswalter:disqus and @disqus_wCH3QKImsS:disqus
Here’s the evidence. Note to whom he was referring.
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So what? My whole family has the same IP address. My mom and dad jumped in to help when multiple users started attacking me. Whether Derp and Gold share the same IP address is irrelevant as they attack me in tandem.
Thanks
Good point. That’s why the block feature is there.
Daily wisdom for you:
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Thanks for sharing “Sam’s” wisdom.
I’m not clear about your block comment. Are you saying that if multiple family members are posting (with the same IP address) then one or more should be blocked?
Nope. Just block the 4 or 5 people who are harassing you.
You won’t even see their comments, and if you stop replying, they’ll get bored and find a new target.
Good suggestion.
Agree. I blocked some truly annoying pro-vacs and DON’T miss them.
They use puppet accounts to support their pro-vaccine stance and also up vote and gang flag parents of autistic children.
J Buzzcut Graham will harass you but claim you harass him. I blocked him.
Interesting to see that you still follow me around like a puppy there ADadd.
The irony.
…of you following me too?
Of you following me, for further embarrassment.
Someone else has encountered your stupidity and has messaged me, he has the stones to view and respond to my video…you are redundant now, just amusing.
Peace, keep up the barefaced dishonesty and irony.
Well, you’re following me into a thread which has nothing to do with anything I’ve discussed with you (prior to my mentioning your puppy-dog behavior).
Yawn. Same silly old Ross. Present your argument here, and I’ll be happy to destroy it for you. Pretend your argument is some other arbitrary place and I lose interest. Heck, present a formal logical argument which demands that whatever might be in your alleged video is relevant and I’d be willing to watch it.
But we know that your confidence in your video is pretty low since you would much rather keep your arguments far away from me.
Interesting comment from someone who has repeatedly lied about “knowing” that I’ve watched your video. Again I can produce many quotes demonstrated your duplicity here.
Ok boy, now fetch the stick!
So much obvious deception and assumptions here haha fantastic, the video stands as does my pride of it, keep running old man keep running.
I really do not understand your smug and pointless paragraph structure, haven’t you learned or has the old brain started going?
Until my video is responded to none of your comical garbage will be either. Keep posting it though, it is amusing.
Well apparently you just keep on following. So much for “Last comment”
But you can’t point out a specific case of deception and support it. Unlike me, I can pull a good half dozen quotes from you in an instant showing you lie about “knowing” that I’ve watched something.
Yawn, again you can give me no rational reason to follow any link to any video. Any argument you could present in said video you could present here. You know I’m not going to follow the link without a rational reason. So therefore, assuming you update your prior probabilities feel safer with me not examining whatever argument you claim is there.
The ginger, it burns.
Jonathan’s just angry because his roommate keeps eating his painfully-constructed and elaborate gingerbread houses.
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Congratulations on acquiring a fan club.
Yeah, any more and I’ll need to start a newsletter – if anyone knows what that is anymore. 🙂
“What is it now – 5 on 1?”
Aren’t you the guy who previously claimed D’Andre must be right because so many other people agreed with him [well, just you and Megan it seems]?
Hey D’Andre, it looks like you have a new player in this endless game of whack-a-mole. I think it is just a game. After all, Cole and I had no problem reading and understanding everything – and so did other readers.
It’s suspicious that all these people sound the same. Just sayin’…
Birds of a feather…
Call him by his Linnaean name: asarum jonathan
Hey Derp, Mike Stevens will be going on vacation pretty soon and we were wondering if you could work a few weekends in the propaganda department?
Baseless shill gambit. Flagged and downvoted.
That’s not the code word anymore. Look on page 244.
Page 244 of what?
How lame.
Only someone who lies about having proof would refuse to provide it.
That’s quite the bold statement coming from you – that I refuse to provide proof. I said that I don’t feel like it – that’s not a refusal, I merely declined. But you made the statement that somewhere I said I refused and that somewhere I lied.
The burden of proof now falls on you – show me where I said “refuse.”
That’s not a bold statement at all. As evidence I present your comment history on this thread.
“The burden of proof now falls on you – show me where I said “refuse.”
Ahh! Well, maybe I “don’t feel like telling you”.
Now, the burden of proof is turned back on you to show me where I said I “refuse” to tell you.
No, no, no – you still must relieve the crushing burden upon your back. You said many words and some of them were refuse and feel, therefore you refuse to feel. Personally I don’t care if you suffer from anhedonia, and I don’t care that you are incapable of recognizing the hard evidence I provided for you, but you must agree with me. Agree to what you might ask – well that is a good question, but it’s another question from you that doesn’t motivate me to take action. Yeah, I know, you still collect action figures but why? Now that is a question that needs to be answered.
You also need to prove that you are not a bot. I think your computer has been taken over by Bulgarians who are obsessed with meaningless statements posted on a board that 50 people read. But wait, perhaps it is you who is obsessed. Hmm…that’s a disturbing thought. What else might you be obsessed about. Do you lock your front door three times for luck? Do you even have a front door? Do you organize your cupboards five times a day? Do you have cupboards? So tell me about your obsessions – I hope it’s not just me you are obsessed about.
Whew, I hope that’s enough to keep you entertained for a while. If I could I’d send you a bright, shiny object for you to obsess about. Try this, go into a round room and try to piss in a corner – now that will keep you occupied for weeks.
Well… by your own standards @disqus_0bT5QNRHDf:disqus is correct.
Also, with the level of understanding that you’re showing here, I’m surprised you’ve not exclaimed “no takes-backsies!” to force the issue.
“No I wouldn’t…if I felt like it…which I don’t”
How is that not a refusal to provide the evidence?
That’s only in your mind. I merely said I don’t feel like it. I didn’t say that I absolutely wouldn’t do it. Who knows, perhaps tomorrow I’ll feel like it. Make sure you check back often.
So you expect you’d have no trouble with the IRS if you told them “I could pay my income tax–if I felt like it—which I don’t” because you would not be refusing to pay?
Let me know how that works out for you.
Your claim, your job to do the research.
Derpturtles are gonna derp. It’s just their nature.
given that you’ve chosen to keep your posts private, we have no way of determining if your claim to have already provided proof is true or not.
That being the case, I would expect you’d want to either make your posts open, so we can find the one where you provided proof ourselves, link to the relevant post, or provide the proof here again.
I’ll tentatively reserve judgment on the veracity of your claims until you’ve done one of the three. Of course, if you do none of these three I must assume that is because your claim is false.
You are as funny as those other two nitwits – perhaps even funnier as you travel down the same dead end road already traveled by the other idiots. What in the world would make you think I give a rat’s ass what you believe?
Hey, why don’t you spend the next three days of your life pondering whether or not a meaningless statement on a meaningless board is accurate or not (it is).
Too funny.
Apparently I also am an impossible child. I haven’t had a cold in ages. Nor a influenza like virus but then again I get vaccinated so that would lower my odds. My wife had H1N1 but my wife and daughter escaped likely due to being vaccinated a few scant days before she did.
Not only is it false, it’s victim blaming. What sort of arse would blame the victim?
Here’s pretty much all you need to know about Fingal. He’s an acolyte of Ben Bache and a true believer in a flat Earth.
LOL! That explains why they got on my “not worth replying to directly” list after just one post.
Vaccine proponents. They claim parent’s genes cause autism.
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Please name one vaccine on the routine childhood schedule injected IV.
Typical dumbass PC European. It’s whatever your government tells you, until your medical system can’t figure it out anymore. Then it’s your nasty pinky genes. Funny how eugenics racism swings both ways, always in favor of the money.
Which one? Every single one. All “vaccines”. Every one since the advent of libtarded allopathy. LOL! How difficult is it to understand? Does your field understand the purpose of the immune system? No, because you think there is a need to kick-start it by shooting stuff up your veins.
Dude, it’s your claim. Your burden of proof. Who else I believe has little to do with your responsibility to support your own claims.
And you surely are not dense enough to not know the difference between muscle/skin and vein.
What proof? Outside of your religion, in this case liberalism, you have no evidence. Your cult’s bogus conclusions magically intercept whenever a study finds something interesting. You call that “science”.
And where are you pulling these claims now that I don’t know any human anatomy? You’re out of ideas and clues. Give it up and stop shooting up.
Oh dear, so you do know the difference and are just deliberately stating false things i.e. lying.. Not a single vaccine is administered I.V.
And you still can’t name one vaccine shot up into veins i.e. adminstered I.V. or via Hepalock.
While I do realize the difference between an IV, IM and subcantaneous where do you think the vaccine goes after it gets injected into your body? Do you think it just goes to magical places or what?
Vforba, you realise that knowing the difference makes your misrepresentation worse, not better, right? It means that you are deliberately stating false things ( i.e. lying) rather than just making an honest error.
As for where I think it goes, that’s irrelevant right now since we’re discussing the initial administration. But why on earth do you think that your claim that you made yourself is my responsibility to disprove.
Sure, it goes into the bloodstream in the end – so does everything – that’s not quite the same as direct into bloodstream or shot into veins though, is it? What do people w/diabetes check before and after eating?
A baby is born with a very weak immune system. If the mother breastfeeds the infants immune system gets stronger. But the immune system of a child is not fully developed until age 5.
If you took the time to do some research you’d know that the mortality rate of infants and children many years ago was very high. Occasionally I’ll see a study posted by a bozo the says ear infections are higher in vaccinated kids. What they never show is studies about mortality rates from measles and other deadly, preventable diseases.
Smallpox is gone due to vaccination. Look at the photo below – why would you wish that on anyone?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T549VoLca_Q&ab_channel=EndtheRword
Sure this great if you honestly believe it but how do we know that this is actually due to the vaccine. Any woman vaccinated for the swine flu in the recent epidemic just a few years ago had a spontaneous abortion withing 24-48hrs post vaccine. Yet the claim is it’s just coincidence
Please name one vaccine on the routine childhood injected IV.
You don’t know enough about tetanus to know where to find it and yet you are expecting people to take you seriously when you dish out medical advice?
I will now continue responding to you with all the respect you deserve.
That is not a literal statement, as if I actually attempt to find it, flathead.
And what is it with you libtards and your strange need to reserve any talk about anything relating to the human body as “medical advice”? You people do not own every piece of advice or opinion that you choose to try and regulate, desperately. You also do not own bodies that are not yours. Sad, I know.
Your medical system and reductionistic philosophy are among the greatest abysmal failures in human history. Admit defeat. Your belief system; religion, can’t even cure a tummy ache or diabetes without trying to profit and calling the never-ending prescription a “treatment”. In fact, you believe the human body is so impossible to figure out that nearly nothing is curable, except without drugs that will never exist to change genes will can never be changed. Idiots.
Everything stated on this platform is opinion, de facto. I do not have to cite this. I advise all oblivious autists like yourself, tough that you were born that way, to cease and desist. I do not deal with people whose brains are already fried and malfunctioning.
Your level of ignorance is mind-boggling…and that’s being kind. Hundreds of millions of people died from smallpox in the 20th century alone. Now smallpox is eradicated because of…wait for it…VACCINATION!!!!
Game, set, match – time to shut your pie hole and slither back to your hole.
Give up @Badger:disqus. @theoldleft:disqus is not arguing from a rational position. They’ve resorted to politics, religion and blaming the commenting platform rather than stepping up and demonstrating their point with any evidence.
Responding to them just fuels them. They’re a waste of time.
I too have grass allergies and Spring is when I really have to stop eating anything grass related including honey, bananas, cane sugar, cows milk.
3 masters degrees and a DNP in my family. (2 of us are nurse practitioners.) All of us are vaccinated. Our new grandchild is getting his first shots in 2 weeks.
What an idiot you are, lol… Do you want a prize?
Why is a college degree impressive? You got even more liberal hogwash funneled down your throat, bypassed your stomach, directly to your already destroyed gut. And you have a fancy paper to show it. And your family is in the evil and misanthropic allopathic industry. Do you just want a nobel peace prize right now? I’ve got diamond-speckled bridge for sale if that actually makes you any better than anyone else.
Why you take pride in injecting foreign metals and toxins up and a VIRUS into your body, for some magical and alleged immune boost, is your own head problem. The European people have a self-mutilating gene, apparently. Especially since they birthed and keep alive the nonsense eugenics theory and think rich white people have “good genes” and poor black people have “bad genes”. Both shart all day due to poor diet.
It’s funny the whacky traits that individual ethnic groups exhibit when depleted of minerals, pumped full of sugar and gluten (drugs), toy with pharma drugs, and likely finish themselves off with grain booze and illegal drugs. White people definitely blow Black people away in this regard.
Viking huh? Viking of the runs. Your can sound that viking horn from the rear while you blow your guts out due to your dumb diet. I bet you’re a big grass-eater (wheat, gluten). Modern people are truly the dumbest iteration of humans in all of history.
Generally those who play the disparaging education card were unable to complete anything beyond high school.
That’s a cheap way to avoid responding to even any portion of my entire post. Did your professor teach that to you?
Can you name any diseases children get from vaccinations?
chicken pox, mumps, measles there are many
@vforba:disqus are you vaxxed?
Pretty much anyone over the age of 25 is essentially unvaxxed because vaccines are not lifelong immunity.
Citation needed.
Well then why then are we increasing the number of vaccinations needed to create immunity? Why are vaccinated kids getting the disease.
1)Asking you for a cite =/= saying you’re wrong.
2)Simple logic and maths. Nothing is 100%. (See: Nirvana Fallacy) The rest is really simple.)
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3)Vaccinated kids getting the disease =/= the vaccine caused it.
. Reasons for the increases in pertussis are not completely clear; however, multiple factors have likely contributed to the increase, including waning immunity from the acellular vaccine (DTaP), increased recognition of pertussis, and improved diagnostic testing and reporting.http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/experts_per.asp
How does that cite support your point?
vforba thinks pertussis is a virus, not a bacterium.
vforba thinks you can catch pertussis from the acellular pertussis vaccine and then create an outbreak due to shedding.
vforba is obviously functionally illiterate and scientifically illiterate with the science/medical knowledge of a 5 year old.
But vforba is more than happy for young mommies to listen to her advice. It makes her feel special and important even if she doesn’t know the first thing about what she’s saying.
No what I am saying is that the acellular vaccination doesn’t work. That even when you have it you can still pass the disease if you come in contact with it. It does not stop transmission at all. If that weren’t the case then why did the baboons after being infected with the disease still have it living in the backs of their throats 5-6 weeks later? The New England Journal said that the risk of catching the disease was raised by 42% each year after the last vaccine.
Smallpox killed 400 million people in the 20th century alone. That was because unvaccinated kids were allowed to go to school. Name ONE person who got smallpox from the smallpox vaccine. You can’t. Smallpox is now eradicated thanks to the smallpox VACCINE!
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Do you understand the meaning of attenuation? When you can explain attenuation and vaccines you will have the basic knowledge of how deliberately weakened organisms can promote an immune response after loss of virulence.
Whooping cough caused by recently vaccinated children is spreading and to make sure more people get it please get vaccinated.
Ummm….this shows a fundamental ignorance of how vaccines work. What does the a in DTaP/Tdap stand for?
The article states that the vaccine in question is causing the children who got vaccinated to ge the decease.
What’s your point, Zoe? Surely you don’t believe everything you read.
No, the vaccine isn’t causing the children to get pertussis; it’s just that as the vaccine protection wears off after a few years, they become susceptible to catching pertussis again.
In fact, unvaccinated kids are much more likely to catch it than vaccinated kids (23 times more likely).
[citation needed]
Citation? No problem.
Parental refusal of pertussis vaccination is associated with an increased risk of pertussis infection in children.
Glanz JM et al.
Pediatrics. 2009 Jun;123(6):1446-51.
Ahemm…22.8 times more likely.
And this was likely diagnostic bias.
Evidence for diagnostic bias?
Do you think that a headless, limbless man can hold up a bank?
Depopulation Test Run? 75% of Children Who Received Vaccines in Mexican Town Now Dead or Hospitalizedhttp://www.thedailysheeple.com…
Nice article.
http://thesciencepost.com/anti-vaccers-700-likely-believe-study-shared-anti-vaccine-website-contains-ridiculous-statistic/
Yes, this one is
Aren’t you that wacko who thinks he was abducted by aliens. I took a screenshot of that:
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Got a link to that?
Newsflash: Everyone who gets a vaccine will die.
Except those who don’t get vaccines will probably die sooner.
Vaccines are poison. My son was one of Big Pharma’s victims.
Your evidence that any of the constituents found in vaccine formulations are toxic or otherwise harmful at exposure levels achievable by routine childhood vaccination would be what exactly., Misty?
To humans, mind.
What was the nature of your son being a victim of Big Pharma and how did you establish the causative link? I trust it is on some basis more robust than the Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy.
This article is telling you that those that have whooping cough were vaccinated, but get the vaccine to keep spreading it.
Yes, Misty.
It’s called a less than perfect 80%-88% vaccine effectiveness along with waning pertussis immunity remedied with a booster shot.
I know that’s a very advanced concept but most folks over the age of 10 seem to understand it.
It’s kinda’ like eating.
You have your meal on Thursday and on Friday your body is in need of more food so you eat again.
What you don’t do is throw your hands up and say, “I just ate yesterday. This whole eating concept is bogus! We should just give up eating altogether!” unless you are an illogical lunatic.
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Well, so far Mr. Dmitry and every single commenter has shown themselves to be functionally illiterate.
Well done!
Got to the original article linked above and find and quote where it says the DTaP or Tdap vaccine “causes” pertussis and actually transmits to others.
Hint – It doesn’t because that is biologically impossible. It’s like saying that a new set of automobile engine pistons can somehow magically reassemble into a complete, working auto engine.
This just shows how little the anti-vaccine, pro-disease advocates actually know about the subject.
My cat knows more than Mr. Dmitry about science and medicine and can probably read better as well.
It might not cause pertussis, but it causes seizures:
Diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), and tetanus vaccine induced recurrent seizures and acute encephalopathy in a pediatric patient: Possibly due to pertussis fraction
Yes Rene, still spreading misinformation.
How is this misinformation? This is a case report.
Still smoking opium poppy?
What’s you cited was a single case report in the medical literature, relating to the old DTP vaccine.
Why was a single case reported in the journals? Because the reaction is so rare that doctors thought it was important to highlight, even though it was just one case, and the journal editors agreed to publish a single case report (in itself a sign of how highly unusual the reaction was).
Thanks for demonstrating how rare serious vaccine reactions are, Travis.
1)That’s the DTP vaccine so that’s old.
2)Now, how likely are Diphtheria, Pertussis and Tetanus to cause the same problems? This is a risk/risk analysis and is the very basics of informed consent.
Absolutely, Ben. My son has epilepsy due to seizures that began within 24 hours of receiving the DTaP vaccine. Seizures that look identical to hypotonic hyporesponsive episodes (HHE). And of course, both adverse events have been well documented with the pertussis vaccine for decades now.
But it looks like most of the people commenting on this thread are trolls (one of them has over 24,000 comments so far! must pay well :)) So no matter how much you post factual information, it is their job to attack it, twist it, and lie about it. Hopefully everyone else will just look up and verify the information for themselves instead of taking the word of someone who gets paid to make comments for a living.
Yeah. There are different “levels” of trolls but they mostly all communicate with eachother. This maintains credibility for people like Mike Stevens, who continue to post in a relatively respectful manner.
If people like Mike Stevens cannot placate someone, they send-in #2s. These people just try to wear you out, ad nauseam, with repetition and stupid propaganda. If you still hang around, they send in #3 psychobully abuse trolls who post the most annoying and scathing comments.
I remember one time I was posting stuff on aluminum and Alzheimer’s: A person commented who claimed to be “working in the lab” with a brain from an Alzheimer’s case. Imagine that. This guy was actually pathetic enough to pretended to be a scientist working on the exact same thing I was talking about. When I asked for more details he just evaporated.
Most of these trolls don’t even have a clue what they’re talking about, but they always pretend that they do.
Mike Stevens is the one with more than 24,000 comments. 🙂
I know. When he’s not making comments directly he is probably coordinating the whole scheme.
You can tell by how fast a newbie gets inundated with comments. It’s like they send-out an alert to the others.
True.
I post almost exclusively on Disqus. I average around 500 posts per month.
Ben (Travis) averages around 630 posts per month on Disqus, as well as regularly trolling and spamming a number of other science blogs. He is an unemployed chemistry graduate with a criminal record.
His posts are usually filled with extreme personal abuse, as a tactic to cover for his inability to argue with scientific evidence, and force threads to degenerate into acrimony. Which is why I blocked him some time ago, though it is amusing to sometimes check his posting history to see what depths he sinks to.
I don’t have a criminal record Mike, unless you want to count traffic violations and urinating in public (I was by a tree dammit!). Saying “criminal record” gives the impression that I’m a big meanie. This is: Simply. Not. True.
Wanna cuddle?
And I’m not unemployed Mike. I found a way to make money online.
Fixed that for you Mike.
Mike has a gift for taking a grain of fact and twisting it into something that sounds plausible, but isn’t. 🙂
I think he also has a gift for taking dried plants and twisting them into doobies! by the way he speaks.
” My son has epilepsy due to seizures that began within 24 hours of
receiving the DTaP vaccine. Seizures that look identical to hypotonic
hyporesponsive episodes (HHE). And of course, both adverse events have
been well documented with the pertussis vaccine for decades now.”
Which is it? (…it can’t be both). If he had one of these as a result of vaccination, that is extremely unfortunate and you have my sympathy.
HHEs were typically associated with DTwP, but DTaP not. Although there are VAERS reports consistent with it after DTaP, the association is unconfirmed and remains doubtful. The verified medical reports of HHEs after DTaP are so unusual that even single cases are written up in the medical literature, because of their rarity value. They also do not tend to recur, but are “one off” events.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17901810/
Can I ask what your pediatrician concluded your son has?
I generally try not to respond to you anymore, because with 24,000 plus comments, this is most likely your job. While I can’t know for sure, of course, I do know that there ARE people employed by the pharmaceutical industry to comment online and attempt to downplay any connection between adverse events and vaccines, and that these people get paid when others respond to them. I hate the thought of contributing to the bottom line of anybody doing that kind of work, but I’ll go ahead and answer you on this occasion. No need to pretend this is a new conversation, Mike, you and I have discussed my son’s seizures multiple times. But let’s do it again, shall we?
I clicked on the link that you provided, and it says that HHE was “occasionally” associated with the whole cell vaccine. I’d be curious to see if the researcher/ author received any pharma funding, because “occasionally” is not the word I would use to describe something that was happening to every 1 in 1,750 children after the pertussis vaccine (per a study sent to me by the CDC). That is a fairly high rate of occurrence, so I find the choice of words interesting.
Actually, it could be that HHE is a type of seizure activity, but I don’t really know, and haven’t found any evidence yet to that effect. I have asked both the CDC (they refused to answer, and said to ask my son’s neurologist) and my son’s neurologist. I asked if the only difference between HHE and the type of seizures he had was that he was hooked up to an EEG machine, whereas other infants who experienced HHE were not hooked up to an EEG machine at the time, and the neurologist said he supposed it was possible. An EEG machine is not just hanging around in the ER, a neurologist has to specifically put in an order for the patient to get an EEG, and of course you have to catch an episode anyway – often it is long over before the child gets to the hospital, and it may or may not happen again while there, especially if the patient is sent home too soon.
The pediatrician said that his seizures after the DTaP vaccine were a “coincidence”. The real epidemic in this country, besides autism of course, is adverse events that are “coincidences” after vaccination. These “coincidences” happen much more frequently than cases of the measles. Anyway, the fact is, it doesn’t really matter what the pediatrician concluded, she was simply ignorant of adverse events associated with the DTaP vaccine. His seizure disorder with onset within 24 hours of DTaP is listed as a contraindication both by the manufacturer and by the CDC, which is why he received a medical exemption to further doses of the DTaP.
There is a real gap in training of medical professionals in this country. They give vaccinations every day, but so many seem to be ignorant of the adverse events associated with each type of vaccine, and the fact that federal law requires them to report certain adverse events – such as my son’s – to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). I encourage anybody who happens to be reading this to contact their federal legislator and ask him or her to introduce legislation to amend that law so that a financial consequence is added for those who do not report. I believe it is the only way that the professional organizations that cater to doctors and nurses will begin to take this law seriously and address this gap in training.
One final note, HHE is not listed as a contraindication and is not required to be reported to VAERS. It is hard enough to get medical professionals to report the things they ARE supposed to report by law, so it shouldn’t be all that surprising that there aren’t a lot of medical reports of HHE after DTaP. Also, I suspect that some SIDS cases that occur within proximity to the DTaP vaccination are actually HHE cases. There is no evidence of HHE after the fact, but what do you think happens when an infant isn’t getting enough oxygen (which is the reason for the blue/gray pallor during an episode), can’t move its arms or legs, can’t vocalize, and at times collapses entirely…. while alone in its crib? Especially if it is an infant old enough to have learned to roll over on to its stomach, and then has one of these episodes?
“it says that HHE was “occasionally” associated with the whole cell vaccine.”
No conspiracy here, blm. There are standard accepted definitions of side effect frequency, the main one being used is the CIOMS one for international pharmacovigilance definitions.
1:10 = very common
>1;100 = common
>1:1000 = uncommon
>1:10,000 = rare
>1:10,000 = very rare.
(It might help put this into perspective if you think about how antivaxers characterise complications os the diseases. For instance, I have heard them say pneumonia after measles is “very rare”, when it complicates around 10% of clinical cases).
“Actually, it could be that HHE is a type of seizure activity, but I don’t really know”
You and your specialists seem very vague on this point. If he was “hooked up to an EEG machine” when he had an HHE/seizure then differentiating between them is simple. A seizure is associated with an abnormal EEG typical of epileptic seizures, but an HHE will give no EEG change.
As to SIDS cases after vaccination, we already know that unvaccinated babies have double the SIDS rate that vaccinated babies do.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17400342
That doesn’t exclude the possibility that an inapparent vaccination reaction might cause a “SIDS” death, but clearly there are other factors at play here, and any sensible parent worried about SIDS should get their child vaccinated to lessen the possible risk.
Yes, I know that my son had a seizure, per the EEG. What I am saying is that perhaps HHE is really seizure activity. How do you know that HHE will give no EEG change? The CDC wouldn’t even answer that question, but you have the answer?
I don’t think it is possible to actually know, unless there is proof somewhere that all those thousands and thousands of kids who were experiencing HHE after the DTP were hooked up to EEG machines to rule out seizure activity. Is there a study somewhere where this was done?
Both unvaccinated and vaccinated individuals are at risk from exposure to those recently vaccinated. Vaccine failure is widespread; vaccine-induced immunity is not permanent and recent outbreaks of diseases such as whooping cough, mumps and measles have occurred in fully vaccinated populations.14,15 Flu vaccine recipients become more susceptible to future infection after repeated vaccination.16, 17
“Health officials should require a two-week quarantine of all children and adults who receive vaccinations,” says Sally Fallon Morell, president of the Weston A. Price Foundation. “This is the minimum amount of time required to prevent transmission of infectious diseases to the rest of the population, including individuals who have been previously vaccinated.” https://www.westonaprice.org/studies-show-that-vaccinated-individuals-spread-disease/
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Apparently you missed the part where it can and does and has been proven. They just did a recent study with primates. They injected them with dtap and found that the pertussis virus was found in the backs of the primates throats for 5-6weeks post vaccination. It was all over NBC just a year or two ago.
Wrong. Researchers vaccinated the baboons, then infected them with the live virus by dripping a pertussis-containing solution into their noses.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/11/whooping-cough-vaccine-does-not-stop-spread-disease-lab-animals
You cannot be infected by the acellular pertussis vaccine. It doesn’t even contain the whole, live virus.
Sadly, there is that tiny percentage of people – people just like you – who don’t even have the reading comprehension skills of a third grader and cannot possibly understand the basic science.
vforba drooled, “Apparently you missed the part where it can and does and has been proven. [DTaP vaccine causing pertussis]”
Apparently you missed the part where the aP in DTaP is the acronym for “acellular pertussis”.
Tell the class what “acellular” means in your universe, vforba.
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You cannot be “infected” with the pertussis bacterium from the DTaP or Tdap vaccines because they do not contain a live bacterium. They don’t even contain a whole dead bacterium. They only contain the chemical parts (the antigens) of the bacterium that elicit the antibody response from your immune system.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pertussis_vaccine
Note the section (“Modern Formulations) showing the proteins that make up the vaccine. Note that these are merely protein molecules; not whole, live bacteria.
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Readers will note that anti-vaccinationists don’t even know the basic, kindergarten level, facts about vaccines yet are convinced they are medical geniuses and are willing to advise folks about the subject.
Can you say “Arrogant Ignorance”?
Can you say “Dunning-Kruger effect”?
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This demonstrates why you should never take medical advice from random lunatics on the internet. You may be talking to someone like vforba who has the scientific intellect of a 3rd grader but is more than willing for you to listen to her and take her advice. It makes her feel important.
Get your medical advice from you physician and recognized medical experts instead of from vforba or HippieCrystalChic94 on the internet, who failed every science and maths class they ever took starting in 3rd grade.
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As I said earlier, my cat knows more science than these ignoramuses.
That would make a good horror film though.
When Dismembered Zombies Attack!
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http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/content/cda-cdi3404e.htm
What’s your point, vforba, if you have one?
That describes the transmission of wild pertussis, not vaccine derived pertussis (a myth).
If this article is news to you then you really need to go back to kindergarten.
I would hope everyone knows wild pertussis is quite virulent and easily capable of transmission to susceptible persons. That is the reason the USA used to have 200,000+ cases per year before the pertussis vaccine came into common use. Speaking of which – isn’t it amazing how the pertussis vaccine has dropped the incidence of pertussis in the US population by 90%? I’d say the vaccine, while not perfect, is doing a decent job of protecting our population, particularly babies who have a horrible death rate from pertussis infection.
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Reality022 drooled…. that’s all!
“The Alabama Department of Public Health has confirmed that an outbreak of pertussis – also known as whooping cough – in the state was caused by children recently vaccinated against the contagious illness.”
Well, Mr Dimitri, it seems the Alabama Department of Publich Health has said no such thing, so your article is a lie.
But look at all the sheep who are sucking up this lying fake news without doing the least due diligence to verify the story.
It’s sad how easy they are led around by the rings in their noses.
You’ll probably believe anything with a letterhead on it.
Yes! YES!! Keep going!!!
Oww…
Hey! Just down the road from Mike Stevens. Go to the Waffle House lately???
No, it is not physically possible for this to happen.
Hey DerpTurtle. Why don’t you change your avatar to a DerpTurtle???
Because I don’t want to?
Do it!! Do it!!
Or at least change it to Spike from The Land Before Time.
Tell you what: Convince DD to provide evidence for her claims (or provide it yourself) and sure, I’ll change it to a meme featuring Spike from The Land Before Time – deal?
Remember: After =/= because.
Equal-sign slash equal-sign does not equal not-equal-sign.
=/= ≠ ≠
https://www.allacronyms.com/%3D%2F%3D/Not_equal_to
Change it to a turdle
#NotMyNewsWire
This might be a dumb question, but, if all those affected are vaccinated, doesn’t it logically follow that the source of the outbreak is a vaccinated individual?
1)There is no way for the DTaP to cause pertussis. There is no whole bacterium in there in the first place.
2)But…nothing is 100% effective.
3)Humans have shiny pressurized metal tube bus things that take people from place to place.
4)The question is not whether all of the cases are vaccinated. The question is whether all of the vaccinated are affected.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8cda000f1f7156b983f94ecf56d394a8ab40269d08d074deb9d995bb9cd14219.jpg
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They don’t understand math, Derp.
Lurkers?
DerpTurtle, your posts are like an ice-pick lobotomy without the ice-pick.
So what does that make your posts then since you can’t even rebut cave-man lobotomy stupid arguments?
This same article has been published word-for-word on several alt-news blogs. It’s fake.
What drives this crap is social media shares. If you see this story on Facebook, report it as “It’s a false news story.”
Aluminum has been proven to cause dementia and crosslink tau proteins in the brain; it causes Alzheimer’s.
But don’t worry, the aluminum in vaccines is “magic aluminum” and perfectly safe.
Yikes! You need to be careful. Don’t eat at any restaurants – some of them use aluminum pots, and a tomato based sauce will leech more aluminum out of the pot than all the vaccines a kid gets. And don’t wrap half a tomato in aluminum foil or they will soon be calling you the “tin” man.
That was the stupidest thing I had read all day.
And what restaurants do you go to? I think you will be hard-pressed to actually find a restaurant that uses aluminum pots.
Do you live in Alabama?
Usually I refrain from calling someone an idiot, but in your case I must. YOU will be hard pressed to find a restaurant that does not use aluminum cookware. To wit (straight from a restaurant expert): “They say too many cooks spoil the broth. The wrong pots and pans do,
too. That’s why when it comes to restaurant kitchen supplies, few
decisions are as important as choosing the correct cookware
for the job. Most pots and pans used in commercial kitchens are
aluminum or stainless steel. Some chefs also use French steel and cast
iron, but these items require special care that’s inefficient for most
busy kitchens.”
Clearly you know nothing about the restaurant industry and pulled YOUR most stupid comment straight out of your butt.
Do you live on another planet? Why don’t you drag your sorry butt into a restaurant kitchen and see what they are using…or perhaps you do your fine dining at Wendy’s.
LOL. You’re the guy who admitted that your “restaurant uses aluminum cookware”.
Have fun with your dementia from eating at Waffle House.
God, you’re an idiot times 2. That’s a quote from a restaurant dude – I’m a biologist working at a lab in San Fransisco.
Since you demonstrated that you can’t understand a simple post I must assume that you have already descended into senility. Good luck with that.
LOL. At this time of day? What are you working on?
I’m running an experiment on a brain from a woman who died of AD. This is time sensitive and I need to be here day and night to see it through. This is important stuff – you can read our findings (my staff and I) in JAMA.
I only have 40 minutes until the last run is finished so be quick with your proof that restaurants don’t use aluminum cookware. Trust me – they ALL do.
LOL!
Last run of what? Your chromatography column? Electrophoresis? Flame ionization spectroscopy?
What are you doing exactly?
Why would a biology lab engage in measuring gas concentrations in a landfill? See, you ignorant laypeople try to sound intelligent by throwing around terms you don’t understand thinking that other people might be as stupid as you are.
What I was trying to do is explain to you that all restaurants use aluminum cookware and that your brain is full of the stuff. What you got in a vaccine is just a drop in the bucket. However, from your comments one can see that you are past the tipping point.
BTW, it’s pretty clear from your writing that you are just a child so you have many years to expunge all the stupidity from your “brain.” Mature people don’t use LOL all the time – just a tip if you are trying to fool people into thinking you are something you are not.
Good luck – gotta run.
What? Why bring a landfill into this?
Did anyone else just notice how this impostor troll materialized out of nowhere and claimed to be studying a human Alzheimer’s-riddled brain at 1:00 AM CST on a Monday morning?
And he claims that “all restaurants use aluminum”.
What a joke. They cannot even higher mildly knowledgeable PR agents.
Uhh….Kris….you…you…are aware that CST is not the only timezone in the world….right?
That’s Rene trying to be a Chris P. imposter.
CST – Now we know what section of the US Rene lives in. My bet? Texas – Alex Jones territory. We already knew he was dumber than a sea cucumber.
1)Yep, that’s why I was addressing them by the least similar part of the name. 😉
2)Eh, that’s not fair – you can use that same logic to prove someone from Georgia is a CDC shill.
I still say Texas… probably Austin.
Meh. I really don’t care because….
Claims stand or fall….
All together now, class!
I found a picture of DerpTurtle giving Reality022 a sloppy BJ:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bda74669232cf5374ef930460baca3b50deac4b236b8aa4d3fea8f8432d2e683.png
Cartoons don’t count as evidence.
Wisconsin.
Mike Stevens: “Rene’s real name is Travis Schwochert. He is well known on science boards for impersonating other commenters.
He’s an unmarried, unemployed man living with his father in Wisconson.
I Speak of Dreams | “The Fendlesworth Mystery, or Travis J. Schwochert We See You” “
I hadn’t realized that anyone had determined Rene was really Travis Schwochert.
Whoever it is, they are completely unhinged and very, very immature. That’s why I pegged him as a disaffected adolescent teen boy – the demographic Alex Jones targets.
Duh. If it were the only time zone there would be no reason to specify.
Then you understand that what is 1am Monday Morning for you may in fact be some time other than 1am Monday Morning for someone else?
Duh!
Then you understand that it being 1am Monday Morning for you at the time of a given comment is not in fact, proof of shillhood and it is actually possible that it might be 14:00 hours for someone else at that time and that 14:00 hours is well within the possibility of times someone might be working in a lab.
Plus any grad student or postdoc will tell you from experience that 9 – 5 is only an ideal in academic research. There’re good reasons to have a couch in your office, so you can a few winks in between tasks while working long hours.
I remember once doing a sampling run for our anatomy professor during a holiday work experience placement. Two of us patsies had to follow the assay run through to 10am the next day, centrifuging samples every hour. And then work the next day too.
Yeah, and long holiday weekends usually represented a chance to catch up or even get a bit ahead. Researchers learn to treat a half a day’s work as 12 hours.
Can weasels get measles?
Kfunk937, that guy was an obvious faker and you know it.
‘Stralia. How does that work?
How do they not fall off being down there and upside down and 10 hours ahead of GMT?
That would mean they see the constellation Orion standing on his head instead of upright like we do in the northern hemisphere… Impossible!!!!!!11!!!!!!
Yeh, those times were two entirely random ones I pulled out of my hat.
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Cartoons are still not evidence.
Are you denying it?
Shifting the burden of proof won’t work.
Duh Derp! He said he was in San Fransisco!!!
This puts his time at 11:00 PM on a Sunday night!!!
That guy was a fake impostor drive-by moron wannabe scientist. So obvious, since he “just happened to be working on an AD brain”.
It’s insulting that these people think they can get away with that kind of stupidness.
1)Can you link to this SF comment please?
2)Have you got any evidence at all?
He did say he was in SF actually, but explained he was working late.
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/yournewswire/whooping_cough_outbreak_in_alabama_spread_by_vaccinated_children/#comment-3329656358
Thank you, Mike.
Mike! How could you upvote that moron? That guy was obvious faker, and you know it.
The faker is you, Travis.
LOL Mike. That was so obvious. Did’nt you see what that guy said?
Gotta love living in a country with multiple time zones…we were out on a fire call this morning and the coordinator was three hours behind us and still in bed.
That’s right!
We went through this once before with another ignoramus and we determined you lived either in Lagos or Kinshasa by your time zone. /sarc
The anti-vaccine cult must be cloning themselves.
Didn’t we all live in Mumbai?
‘S funny, by my posting times you can pretty much tell I live in the US, most probably in one of the western time zones.
Yes, and no one is on CST now. The only state in the lower 48 to not be on Daylight Savings Time is Arizona, in the mountain time zone.
Ah.
All done in the lab. Now let me point out, once again, where you have failed to dispel the notion that you are a flaming idiot. Why bring a landfill into this? Uh…it was you who introduced the process into our discussion. Or were you just throwing around cool sounding stuff you found on the Internet? Hmm…yeah, you were just throwing around stuff because you are too stupid to realize that there are actual scientists out here who are laughing at you.
Perhaps we shouldn’t laugh at you. Perhaps you’ve eaten too many meals prepared in aluminum cookware and now your brain is all shiny. When you blow your nose does aluminum foil come out. When you take….sorry, that would be too personal.
Where? What the hell are you talking about?
Where? You’re not a scientist, anyone can see that.
Very interesting. You are no longer Kris – now you are Richard Gere. Hmm…looks like DID to me – doesn’t that suck?
We are working on some experimental compounds which might help you, but they might fry your brain completely, which might not be that bad.
Now it’s not just scientists who are laughing at you – it’s everyone.
P.S. You really ought to stop eating aluminum.
You’re a poser. And no, nearly all scientists will admit that aluminum is involved in Alzheimer’s.
Don’t tell me what “scientists are thinking”, poser.
Wow, you don’t even realize that you have DID. Scary.
Who said aluminum isn’t “bad?” I just said that restaurants still use aluminum cookware and aluminum cookware is still being sold. I don’t use it.
You are in denial when you say restaurants don’t use aluminum cookware. But then you have demonstrated your loss of touch with reality as you don’t even know who you are.
Totally sad – get some help Kris, or Bob, or R, or Linda, or … How many personalities do you have?
You also pretended to be a scientist, working on an Alzheimer brain at 11:00 PM on a Sunday night.
So how’d that go? What kind of groundbreaking discoveries have you make??? LOL!
Address the fact that you went from being Kris and are now Richard Gere. Do it now, I command you.
To who? How do you get “Richard” out of this? That’s your< imagination.
R. Gere – you told me the R. stood for Richard. When are you going to be Kris again? Does Richard let you come out once a day? How many people live in your head? I’m a renowned scientist perhaps I can help you integrate your personalities.
Sorry, my professional status precludes me from making light of your problem.
Bye
Professional troll? Professional impostor?
Professional I don’t talk to people who are crazy. Part of me wants to make fun of your multiple personalities, but I know that is just wrong.
Good luck in getting some help.
I changed my screen name so that means I have multiple personally disorder?
Okay retard.
Hmm…three different screen names in one day…uh yeah, you are nuts. More specifically you suffer from DID.
Here’s something you don’t know (among many things), using the word retard in any context is not done by those with a high intellect and a good education – both of which you lack. In the future, try and show a little class.
Now run along and think up another ridiculous screen name so you can solidify your reputation on this board.
Says the impostor.
How’s that AD brain you’re working on? What did you determine?
Sorry, that was a discussion I was having with Kris.
Learn some basic chemistry. And some basic risk assessment. And how to argue against people’s actual arguments.
Shut up Derp. It’s you who knows no basic chemistry, at all.
So you do know some basic chemistry. Oh dear. That means you are intentionally stating false things i.e. lying. If you have to lie to make your point…what reason do I have to believe anything else you say on the matter?
I’m not lying: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4896038f0e158060703175347d170420622a21e999c52b89b63aec40a1bf512d.png
Alum is not aluminium.
If you aren’t lying, learn some basic chemistry.
Duh!
Why drag alum into this? Are you going to say something that makes sense one of these days?
Because it has a court order to show up?
Seriously though, this makes perfect sense to anyone who knows the least bit about chemistry.
Your a moron. You ose this “basic chemistry” gambit on everyone, ever single time someone talks about Al³⁺ or ⁺Hg-CH₂-CH₃ in vaccines.
The implication is that you actually know something about chemistry, which is false. You have shown yourself to be frankly >moronic on that topic.
Please can you show where I have done so when people talk about Hg-Ch2-CH3? Should be easy, given 1)public profile and 2)That I do so every time someone talks about said substance.
And I will not be held responsible for your hallucinations.
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/yournewswire/whooping_cough_outbreak_in_alabama_spread_by_vaccinated_children/#comment-3329656358
Thank you.
@disqus_tlEIT18b4g:disqus, I’m giving up on those three. They’ve demonstrated quite well that they are disingenuous in their desire for a rational conversation and their ability to argue their points is bordering on nonexistent. The original claim was in reference to 3 paid trolls. While it is known who D’Andre was referencing I do think that D’Andre, Megan and Cole fit the term “troll” quite well. They’re not worth any further effort.
It appears they’ve wandered off for the moment so I’m taking this opportunity to say that I’m not going to address any further replies regardless of how inane, personal or irrational they are. Unlike D’Andre I think I’ll easily manage to stick to my guns on this one.
Oh, I gave up on them long ago. I’m just making a bit more of a point for the lurkers.
Mike Stevens might not be a paid troll, but he is weird. I did a Google search and found his comments on UFO forums, racist forums, and gay forums.
Did you know that the posts on the gay forum you linked to are unable to be viewed unless you log in?
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Is there something you would like to tell us?
Ouch!
Umm…
I was just trying to get rid of my old Elton John records.
Hey Mike!! I’m done watching that Queen DVD you lent me. It’s in the mail.
I agree Mike. Totally!! Freddie Mercury (F₂Hg) is the best!
I agree that this article is inaccurate. The pertussis vaccine does not cause pertussis. However, the trolls on this thread (and boy are there a bunch) are also spreading a lot of misinformation and outright lies. Then again, that is their job. And they sure are nasty while they do it.
For example, when someone pointed out that the DTaP doesn’t cause pertussis, but it does cause seizures and HHE, a troll responded that this is not true, that it was only the older version of the vaccine (DTP) that did that. Actually, the DTaP continues to cause seizures and hypotonic hyporesponsive episodes (HHE) also, although at a lower rate than the whole cell version of the vaccine. The rate of these adverse events with the old vaccine was high (for example, in a study sent to me by the CDC, 1 in 1,750 kids experienced HHE). My son experienced the exact type of seizures (they look identical to HHE) that have been documented with pertussis vaccines for decades now. He now is diagnosed with epilepsy and takes medication twice a day. He does not have Dravet’s (I only mention that because everyone tries to claim that “it can’t be the vaccine, he must have Dravet’s”).
Most adverse events are not reported, and my son’s was not reported by either his pediatrician or neurologist. Medical professionals don’t seem to be aware that it is the LAW to report certain events to VAERS, and they also seem to have an emotional block to recognizing that vaccines cause adverse events much more frequently than they have been led to believe. I guess after hearing that “vaccines are safe” and “adverse events are extremely rare” for most of their career, they can’t seem to recognize it when it is right in front of their face. That is why I am working to change the law so that there is a consequence for those who do not report as required by law (right now, nothing happens to those who don’t report, so reporting adverse events is consequently not a priority in this country, which is unacceptable if you care about vaccine safety).
Also, while the pertussis vaccine does not cause pertussis, those vaccinated for pertussis can and do spread pertussis all the time. The vaccine is not a very effective one, but when it does work and protect the person from symptoms – obviously if exposed to the bacteria that causes the illness – being vaccinated doesn’t prevent the person from cultivating the bacteria in their airways and shedding it for up to six weeks, infecting the unvaccinated. But again, that is different from saying the vaccine causes pertussis.
Trolls, please don’t reply or respond to my factual post. I’m not interested in your double talk and lies. Everyone else can look up the facts for themselves.
“Trolls, please don’t reply or respond to my factual post.”
Well I hope the antivax trolls like Ben comply with your wishes, but you can’t order people to do things like that really…
” when someone pointed out that the DTaP doesn’t cause pertussis, but it
does cause seizures and HHE, a troll responded that this is not true,
that it was only the older version of the vaccine (DTP) that did that.
Actually, the DTaP continues to cause seizures and hypotonic
hyporesponsive episodes (HHE) also, although at a lower rate than the
whole cell version of the vaccine.”
He probably pointed out that HHEs were linked with whole cell pertussis vaccine, for a good reason (it was a reaction to components within the cell wall of the pertussis bacteria in the vaccine) and since acellular vaccine does not contain this suspected trigger factor, it was felt that this reaction would not occur with DTaP.
In fact there have been one or two published case reports of it after DTaP. The event is so unusual that journals will publish single case reports (a sure sign of an extremely rare phenomenon).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17901810/
The TDap damn near killed me.